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[–] [email protected] 151 points 6 months ago (3 children)

#BothSiders often end up repeating Republican talking points

[–] [email protected] 69 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Of course the both sides argument comes from the right because America has no left

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago

Not with any sort of majority aspirations, that's for sure.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

and I woulda gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Oh this is the classic : "I'm socially progressive, but fiscally conservative" LOL

[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The thing is real fiscal conservatism relies on evidence. They just want to sell off the government so they can make a profit replacing it. A real fiscal conservative would have already passed universal education, universal healthcare, universal background checks, taken military procurement to task, and repealed half of the laws restricting unions.

The Republicans talk about laws that spend less and create more revenue, but they fight tooth and nail against ones that actually would do that.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

no no, republicans don't want the govt to make revenue. tax cuts, ridiculously complicated tax code, gutting the IRS... all to let rich people keep as much money as possible.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well the bar is six feet under when you compare Democrats to Republicans. Democrats appears leftwing simply because Republicans went further to the right on the spectrum unfortunately. If you place Democrats in Canada or Western Europe, they would be considered a right wing government, or centrist if we stretch it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

So much this. The only thing that remedied US Democrats in this sense was their LGBT stances being more progressed than in many Western European countries. Otherwise they are in the right/far right/neoliberal spectrum by European standards.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

Code for "I'm conservative but know a gay person and/or once smoked a marijuana."

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Actual centrists recognize how extreme the right has gotten, and vote accordingly. Bothsiders are the brainless, egotistical tools of the far right, going along with normalizing fascism because they don't want to think too hard.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

It's because they identify 100% with the party but don't want the negative flack it rightfully deserves, so they pretend to be centrist.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This has actually been studied

Anti-Authoritarians and Moderates view it as best to be seen as Anti-Authoritarians, Authoritarians view it best to be seen as Moderates.

They literally view opportunistic claiming of the center not just as a political tool but as a social survival tactic to not be ostracized for their bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Drag would like to have a link to a study so drag can cite it in the future

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago

Exactly this. Many of them are concerned about how it might affect their work too and their families if they found out they're were horrible racist people.

It's part of the reason why the KKK wore clokes

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Everytime I have a discussion with someone who says “both sides are the same”, they always end up voting right. I ask if both sides are the same why not vote left?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Everybody votes right-wing in usa. There are no left-wing candidates just liberals.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Anyone claiming to be undecided on Trump and the GOP in 2024 is full of shit.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I'm undecided on Trump and the GOP in 2024, I can't tell if they're brutally evil or evilly brutal.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I've had a guy tell me he votes for Trump because he's trying to take a balanced centrist view of things. But dude, if Trump is the center, wtf are your extremes?

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago (5 children)

It’s the media, not the people. If you read the same article from sources across the political spectrum, you’ll find the further right you go, the more information is omitted and the more opinionated the journalist becomes. So, someone who reads primarily right wing and centrist media will naturally have a right wing opinion when reading centrist articles.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Let's just start with the fact that American political system is super skewed to begin with and no actual left has any power.

Dems are highly pro-capitalist, moderately nationalist and merely call to strike a bit less horrible balance between the interests of people and businesses. This is not left, this is a bit better right.

This fallacy keeps people trapped in an idea that the only possible options are "good" ultra-capitalism and "greedy" ultra-capitalism, which is not true.

People that try to have "both sides heard" totally ignore that there are way more than two angles in this conversation and that Dems are not some sort of a political extreme. Reps, ironically, kinda are.

And Democrats often think they vote for something actually good, when it's actually just a lesser evil. Keep that in mind, no matter what you decide.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 months ago

It's so funny to see Alex Jones present himself as above left-right politics despite constantly spewing far right BS.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago (7 children)

The post brought to you by Emmanuel Macron

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

The extreme center, no political ideology, only opportunism!

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

After the VP debate, I was stuck under two babies and couldn't get up before CBS did it's spin room coverage and fake analytics. During their focus group of 6 undecideds, I nearly fucking lost it when one said "I like that Vance said he's pro-family".

This shit repeated on my stream I was watching several times and I inevitably woke up my 8mo having to get to the computer before every last drop of my sanity was gone.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

"pro family" and "family values" might be the most vomit inducing dogwhistle in politics.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

"As an independent gay black man..."

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago

"I'm no Trump supporter, but..." is the new "I'm no racist, but...".

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

If your response to a call to ethnic clensing is ''well... let's meet them half way'' you aren't a moderate centrist.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Saw this gem today and it reminded me of this post

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (12 children)

This is absolute hogwash. Actual centrists bring up some Republican talking points (at least, the valid ones) when talking to a Democrat, because democrats don't seem to understand them.

Surprise surprise, Republicans think centrists bring up Democratic talking points.

Centrists get the same bullshit demonization from both parties, because both parties are insanely convinced that getting rid of the dissenter makes the issue go away.

It would have been nice if he issue was just something simple, like a religion. But no, demonization is too convenient - an easy argument for pawns to make. Step on someone else, make yourself feel better. Classic.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

This is absolute hogwash. Actual centrists bring up some Republican talking points (at least, the valid ones) when talking to a Democrat, because democrats don’t seem to understand them.

Surprise surprise, Republicans think centrists bring up Democratic talking points.

lmao even as you attempt to deny that centrists only spout republican talking points and take cheap shots at democrats you couldn't help but imply that democrats are too dumb to understand the other side's position while holding a neutral tone toward republicans in the very next sentence. Centrists can't even hide their disingenuous nonsense when they're trying to pass themselves off as the real victims. So just knock it off and climb down off your cross. Nobody's buying it.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

what are the “valid republican talking points” that you’re referring to?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You will never get an answer from them because the small nuggets of truth that exist in Republican talking points are then used to make batshit claims and then turned into a point of profit for some grifter somewhere.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Hey! I'm way left of Democrats, so I really don't understand Republican talking points... Could you give an example of ones you would say are valid? It would do me some good to know they aren't just out to cause suffering.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, it's a terrible mentality.

"If you aren't completely on my side, you're on the other side."

It is possible to be on neither side...

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

This perfectly describes how the Far Left sees everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Not sure who you're taking about, America has a right wing party and a far right wing party.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

literally just watched a video where a guy starts off calling himself a "moderate" then proceeds to call himself a "maga patriot" The problem is the far right is never honest about who they are and what they want because they know it sucks.

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