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Millions of Christians not planning to vote this November, could shape election: Study (www.dailykos.com)

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Just over half of interviewees (51%) in a Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University study, who identified as "people of faith," responded that they are likely to vote in the presidential election between former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris. The "people of faith" label is given to those who identify with a recognized religion, such as Christianity, Judaism, Mormonism or Islam.

The study found that approximately 104 million people under the "people of faith" umbrella are not expected to vote this election, including 41 million born-again Christians and 32 million who regularly go to church.

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[–] [email protected] 124 points 5 months ago

Anecdotal, but there was considerable dissatisfaction and exhaustion with Trump amongst the religious in my hometown back in 2020. Most of them still supported and voted for him, but that any peeled off was novel. Not that they'd ever vote Dem, but simply not voting GOP in a presidential election was a big deal. It's not inconceivable that the number has increased since.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Get out and vote.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If they get write-in ballots, maybe write "Jesus Christ."

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's Republican. We count those

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Get out of here donagy

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Votes for Jesus go to the Republican."

Leslie Knope

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (2 children)

“Christians” is doing some heavy lifting in this headline

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Seriously, though. “Christians” includes anyone within the net of the Abrahamic religions? This is the widest cast of people possible makes everything said after the title insignificant.

What might be significant, though, is the Muslim population that is disappointed in Harris for not taking a harder stance against Israel, and has threatened not to vote at all.

Personally, I think it’s asinine to avoid a vote because the options are between someone who is not taking a hard line against Israel, and another who is on the record saying that Israel should “finish the job”, but then… I’m not a single-issue voter, so these things affect me differently.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

I'm not Muslim, but if my options were to vote for someone who wants to kill my family vs someone who won't stop selling weapons to those who are actively killing my family, I can understand why they wouldn't be super excited at those choices.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Not really, if you look at the history of Christianity, they’re right on brand. You’re just accustomed to an odd kind of “Christianity-lite” that manifested over the past century of so, mostly to keep the religion alive as it risked being left in the dust by social progress.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago

I skimmed the study itself but couldn't find how this compares to 2020 turnout of the same group. Just that it's "lower" and has a +/- of 4% margin.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can they please not vote every year? A lot of them will be people who vote based on irrational ideas, so that'd be a win for reasonable people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Only if they're single issue voting for anti abortion but the abortion candidate is morally horrible. I wouldn't expect the numbers to stay down.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It’s not enough to not to vote. It’s critical the we vote AGAINST any and all of these extremists. That’s the only way to begin bringing any sanity to our political dialogue.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We live in a two party system. Not voting for your guy is essentially a vote for the other guy. Especially when elections are this close.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

That’s the most common misconception. Not voting for your guy does NOT mean a vote for other guy.

Here is an example:

Let’s say you don’t want candidate B to win but you chose to not vote against B and just sit at home or write in your dog’s name instead.

Candidate A: gets 1000 votes

Candidate B: gets 1002 votes

100 people like you didn’t vote or wrote their dog’s name on ballot.

B wins!

This is what I meant by “actively voting against” vs just not voting.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

So not voting for your guy (candidate A) lead to the other guy (candidate B) winning. Seems like you agree with the premise that in our 2 party system, not voting for the candidate you want directly helps the candidate you don't want.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

By your own logic if A wins by 1 vote and you chose not to vote for your guy, B, you essentially gave your vote to A. Good job.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

By your own logic if A wins by 1 vote and you chose not to vote for your guy, B, you essentially gave your vote to A. Good job.

When I don't vote in the upcoming US elections, my lack of a vote will not become one vote for either candidate. I will cast no votes, and the fact of my existence will not be measured on any ballot or counting system.

By not voting for the candidate you prefer, the candidate you prefer gets one fewer votes. That's it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That is accurate in a theoretical bubble, but in practice, in a two party system, in an incredibly close race, it's simply not true.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

Works for me. Fuck em

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Calling BULLSHIT. What part do they disagree when it comes to religion?

Child sex - supported by religion.
Rape - supported by religion.
Killing the innocent - supported by religion.
Controlling women - supported by religion.
Anti LGBTQ+ - supported by religion.
Hatred of other races - supported by religion.

So what is it that will make them change this time?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You might also point out, for balance, that the opposites of those things can also be expected within religious frameworks.

With or without religion, it is people who purposefully carry out those actions while more often than not being aware they can be conceived of as harmful. You can try to take religion away from people, but don't expect hate to go with it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Multiple cultures were well organized and thriving before established religion was forced on them.

The opposite isn't laid out like the good ol hate.

A form of religion will always exist or have existed. The problem when mass religions is the hive mind effect. People are outnumbered and go along with the groups even if it is against them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Multiple cultures were well organized and thriving before established religion was forced on them.

I don't choose to pretend that previous e.g. animist spiritual systems were not religions. This is because I define religion by human practice and adherence, as humans define religion in a world where they invent it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, to me religion is just cultural, ceremonial, practices designed to deal with their lack of understanding of the natural world, and assumption of supernatural forces. While animism wasn't religion as we know it, it did have it's adherence to practices, and ethics, etc. They were far more local, more based on individual tribes. They were religion, none the less. Just not widespread, centralized, formalized, religion as we see today.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How did I miss this story?!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What story? There is nothing here but propaganda.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (4 children)

You get handed a bag of snakes, all are lethal, and they demand you pick one. I just have to pass on the snake bite. We are slaves to them, and this is an illusion of the freedom of choice, nothing more.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 months ago (3 children)

A Republican rep from Indian wants mixed race marriage to be a state matter. I am white, my partner is Mexican. If he gets what he wants, our relationship will be a crime in at least his state.

There are no Democrats openly advocating for my marriage to be a crime.

It seems not all of those snakes aim to kill me.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago

Yep. Exactly this. I'm white and my wife is black. We live in one of the states where our relationship was a crime just 55 years ago.

Her grandfather has stories about what happened to people who crossed the race barrier (of course the law only punished minorities for it, not the white partner). We're not far removed from those horrors and lunatics are already trying to drag us back.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

People who cannot detect a meaningful difference between the "snakes" in the bag are outrageously privileged.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

WHAT IN THE COUNTRY FRIED FUCK AM I READING RN

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Here's the sweet tea to wash it down

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

This tea was very bitter. Thank you lol

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (4 children)

That’s not how it is though, is it. By not voting you are not exempting yourself from political life, you just choose not to matter.

You are not passing on the snake bite. You are letting others choose the snake for you.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Muh both sides bad. All available snakes are venomous. Therefore instead of choosing the least venomous (possibly survivable) snake, instead wait for the most venomous snake to slither up your own colon so you can look it in the eyes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Muh both sides bad. All available snakes are venomous.

I'm tired of participating in a system where there is nothing I can do to stop people harming people. Can we just hurry up climate change and end this already? I wish there were a weapon that removed only humans, it's sad you have to bring other life forms into this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I bet some Christians would be super into it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Considering about 30% of the general population votes, this is pretty significant - 20% more christians will vote than Gen pop

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Where are you getting those numbers from?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Yeah, don't count on it. Republicans always vote and they are always vote shitty.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

It would be ironic if all they did was show up to overturn roe, and this election would have had them sit out the election, but then due to the abortion ammendments they were pushed back into voting.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That seems odd to me considering that antiabortion rules are on the line. I would think they'd be especially motivated to support Trump and get the Senate flipped Republican to keep a federal law from getting implemented to reverse the decision that government can force doctors to let you die if a fetus is the one killing you.

[–] Chapelgentry 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

From my experience in my very red state, there's a high degree of cognitive dissonance when it comes to those things. A family friend who's very religious is secretly undergoing IVF even though the church banned it's use because they want a child more than the threat of excommunication. Supposedly they'll be forgiven for going against the church since they're "fundamentally good" people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

"The only moral abortion is my abortion."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Trump told them they would never need to vote again after this election.

A bunch of them probably stopped listening after they heard what they want to hear and didn't hear the part after "again"

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