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They think, "Jesus was cool. I like him, and I'm gonna try to be like him." Kind of like their guiding light is what would Jesus do? But there isn't a focus on identification, recruiting others, judging others based on their religion, fear of God, fear of punishment for sinning, respect for clergy as an authority, rituals, worship, etc. Basically, just the example of Jesus' life.

inb4: Christian lol!! got em!

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Like uh... normal? Jesus, as described, seems like a pretty chill dude. It's christianity that gets into the crazy shit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I take it you haven't read the book of John?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. There's some good stuff there, like 8:32*, but it's full of so much crap** that... urgh.

*"And you'll know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

**Give the whole chapter 5 a check, specially 5:14; crippling people is apparently their god's punishment for sinning. Or 3:36, someone gets really pissy if you don't believe him!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I was thinking John 6 is pretty nuts tbh. There are a lot of problems with Christ, like how quiet and accepting he seemed about slavery, or how fragile he is about his ego and being respected as God, the central message of Christ is about his divinity, not about moral teachings. He threatened anyone who disagreed with his divinity with eternal damnation and so on. Just not the kind of person you would think of as a "chill dude", rather the description "crazy" comes to mind when I read the book of John especially.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

His moral teachings are irrelevant. It's like how when cops volunteer to do a charity car wash. Moral behaviour doesn't get you everlasting life.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nah, I was brought to church as a kid but I haven't really read the Bible closely. Honestly, I'm just going off a general read of "dude who helps people in need and isn't an ass".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I recommend you read the book of John!

I wrote a longer response to Kolanaki if you want to read that as well, sorta summarizes what I think are some of the relevant bits as to why Christ isn't such a great role model.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Well, he explicitly condoned slavery, so...

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

There is a lot of good messaging in the Bible, the Quran, the Torah, etc. You don't need to be religious to appreciate that. Just like how somebody who appreciates in the mission and words of The Amazing Randi does not need a special label.

The labels start to come into play when discussing your belief or disbelief in a god or gods.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm assuming we're talking about the late, great, Randy Savage. So, their spelling is correct. Oooh yeah!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Yes. Thanks for catching that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yep! I was trying to find a short way of describing my situation in this area when asked about it.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

My Grandmother always called this sort of thing being a "red letter Christian". Basically like you take a highlighter to everything Jesus specifically did or said and discard the rest.

My Mom's family all followed this principle since like the 70's thus saving my trans ass from any hint of intergenerationally inflicted religious trauma so I am a fan. My 92 year old great uncle went to bat to fight for non-binary gender accommodations in his seniors home because one of his nurses is an enby who was getting a raw deal from a number of their paitents. Honestly, though I don't think the Christian God is what he says he is, his kid seems weird but as a rules for life kinda thing the results seem good. .

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

For context, in some versions of the Bible, the words of Jesus were printed in red font while the rest was black.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Interesting, I thought GamGam was just calling them whores

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like you're describing that you view how he is depicted as a good role model. I think the best way to describe it would just be "I'm atheist/agnostic/etc but view Jesus as a good role model" or something to that effect.

Or just lean into chaos and go with "Jesus is my role model" with no elaboration and let people make of it what they will.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Yes! I like this one. Thank you.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Jeezie. Like Swiftie, but for fan fiction on the Hebrew Bible.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm really going to use this. And when there is a dilemma that's easily solved by WWJD, it's gonna be easy Jeezy

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I use the term Atheistic Christian, which essentially means I believe in a lot of the teachings of Jesus, but I don't believe he was any kind of divinity.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Not to be confused with “secular Christian”, which in popular parlance means “I hang around church for the community but I’m not spiritual”.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

An enthusiast?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuism

Neither are perfect because Christian Athiests includes people who are "culturally Christian" as that can include clergy as an authority and rituals, and Jesuism would include splinter religious groups and is very easily confused with the Catholic Jesuit order. hopefully it's a starting point though!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

This is it!! Thank you very much 😁

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What a coincidink, I just commented this on another thread.

The Thomas Jefferson bible might be up your alley. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do you need to be an -ian? Like, if you like the teachings of Ghandi, or Socrates, or Marcus Aurelius, you don't have to call yourself a Ghandian, or a Socratian, or an Aurelian. You just agree with their teachings.

I feel like you're just making a dig on Christians, and it's not like a lot of them don't deserve it, but what you're talking about isn't a religion. You don't need an -ian to like a philosophy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nah, I don't need to identify. That's too restrictive. I'm looking for a shorter way to describe it when asked.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If there exits one, most probably next question to you would be “What is that ?” And then you give the long explanation.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Agnostic or spiritual.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I met a group that called themselves 'Jesus Freaks', but they were just annoying trying to indocrinate people on music festivals.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

So you have your faith but don't subscribe to crazy rules writen by men that have nothing to do with the faith?!

I would call you "Intelligent"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Good question, but I guess it also goes down to what you think Jesus was. Do you think he was God Incarnate or had a divine nature? Do you think he was a prophet of God, but himself simply human? Or just a cool guy, but nothing divine? In the first case, you are a Christian, even if you don't identify with any of the well known versions of Christianity. After all, many different conceptions of Christianity have existed.

In the third case, I don't think there is or should be a term for it. After all, is there a word for someone who thinks Marcus Antoninus was a cool guy? If that's not something that constitutes an important part of who you are and how you think, why should you be called anything in regards to it? Maybe depending on just how much you like him, we might call you a Jesus fan. Jesus fanboy or fangirl at worst. But there needsn't be a specific word.

Now, the middle case, where you recognize Jesus as a prophet is an interesting one, because several religions would qualify, including Manichaeism, Islam and Druzism; and as far as I know there isn't a term that englobes them all without also including Judaism... If I were to invent a term for that, I might go with "jesuic" or "yeshuaic", by analogy with the word "abrahamic" that englobes those who recognize Abraham as a prophet.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

A Jesuit! Oh wait...

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[–] Zos_Kia 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

From reading your post it seems like you could be interested by the Jesus movement (that is the jewish followers of Jesus, before catholicism was codified and adopted by the Romans as state religion). Everything that wasn't authoritarian fear-based catholic was branded as "gnostic heresy" and purged from the canon, but there's some real good shit that is very close to the core message of Christ.

A recent(-ish) example of gnostic christianity is catharism, which was a heresy that lasted for a few centuries in the South of France. They had no clergy, just a caste of ascetic wise men and women who would walk the land and dispense wisdom and judgement. Very egalitarian, very spiritual, very christ-like. As you can imagine, they got crushed in one of the rare "self-crusades" in history (meaning the King of France sent his own armies to burn down cities in his own country and murder thousands upon thousands of his own subjects). As you can imagine there is not one history teacher in France who will tell you about this episode.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I don't think that there's a specific term for picking a religious figure solely as a behaviour standard, with no regards to the beliefs. But you could describe yourself as "morally Christian", I guess?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

fan of Jesus?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Maybe like nonreligious christian? I feel like the word christian doesn't inherently imply actual religion even though it's usually used that way, the same way identifying as a satanist can mean many different things. I'm neither a theologist nor a linguist though so maybe everything I said is nonsense

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

In terms of religion, atheist. Adherence to a moral standard is secular and does not require a supreme being.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

This describes me. I think about this often. The best I’ve come up with is Buddhist. Ultimately isn’t that what Christ taught?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Such term would be useful. Christianity does not seem to follow this leftwing liberal immigrant.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I thought that is kind of what Quakers are?

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