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[–] [email protected] 219 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Well, yeah. Isn't the whole point of these foolish office mandates to get people to quit? That way they can reduce their workforce without the cost and negative press of another round of layoffs.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Layoffs are not bad press. Not to the shareholders, the only ones who matter to these types. I used to think "oh, layoffs mean the company isn't doing so good," but shareholders see "they reduced cost but lost no customers, thus increasing value of the company should it be sold."

[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I hate that that’s the case.

I’ve been trying to lose weight, so I chopped off my leg just below the knee. I’m several pounds down, and I didn’t have to stop eating even a calorie. It’s amazing.

The only issue is that now I don’t have a leg and exercise may be difficult….

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but that's FUTURE you's problem, not current you, so it's totally fine!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And you’re still alive right? /s. Akin to the people who said Musk’s firing of twitter employees was a genius move because the site was “still running” after all that.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

I'm sure the other leg can make up for it, and it should be grateful for the extra work.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

Go into the office and waste every resource you can.

Plug in a fan + heater + aquarium + massage pad at your desk and leave everything on constantly even when you leave

Print every email and throw it in the trash.

Make coffee 50x a day and pour it down the sink

Flush a whole roll of TP every hour

Leave sinks on in the bathroom

Use entire tubs of soap to wash your hands

Turn on the microwave for hours at a time

Heat/cool office thermometer to force HVAC into overdrive

Open new browser windows until your computer crashes and repeat until the network goes down

Company wide meme emails that everyone participates in (team building) that crash servers and dominate inboxes

Pour sugar/crumbs everywhere so there's pest problems

FORM A UNION

(nuclear option) introduce bedbugs to all your bosses offices

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 months ago

Ok waste paper, mhmm, coffee, yep, microwave, good thinking—

FORM A UNION

Woah, woah calm down Satan.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

This guy RTOs.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago

You forgot the most important one: deliver just enough to not get fired, but way less than you did before RTO. Then point to the stats and show the massive productivity drop after RTO.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago (1 children)

negative press

pretty fucked up that quiet firing via RTO bullshit is less negative press than just laying people off

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Probably. But this way you have no control on who quit, with a good probability that are the better ones.

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Engineering is a skilled trade. We need our own union like every other skilled labor group.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (6 children)

And they are smart enough to put us at the very bottom of the management ladder, even though we're not actually management. That way we can't legally unionize. In the U.S. at least.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Never quit in these situations, or they win.

Do the absolute fucking minimum you can, or even less so you piss off management, until they have to fire you, which they can't outright as after a certain number of years they have to give warnings and trainings first.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's stupid. Don't get fired for cause, that only hurts you. Spend your time looking for a new job, then quit and leave ASAP.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 5 months ago (16 children)

Split the difference, spend as much of your time on the clock job hunting and doing the bare minimum. Then quit without notice mid shift for the new job.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

which they can't outright as after a certain number of years they have to give warnings and trainings first.

I mean, says who? There’s currently only one state in the union that requires cause before you can fire someone. The real issue with firing people is that without a documented cause, that person can collect state unemployment, and the number of people who go on state unemployment from a single company has a financial impact on that company.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That only works in places with actual worker protection and labor laws, which disqualifies pretty much all of the USA.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't know about everyone else, but if that were my boss, they'd be severely underestimating my capacity for petty behavior.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This is the part not being reported in the news.

Many of us are simply working half as much as we did when we were remote. It's not worth trying to impress these people. They hate us.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I don't work for Amazon, but when my employer announced mandatory RTO I simply included travel time in my day. At home I could do 8 hours of pure work. RTO days were about 6 hours of work and 2 hours of commute.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yet another thinly veiled stealth lay-off by a technology company. Amazon’s cloud boss Matt "The Prat" Garman will indeed see some departures, as intended and desired. However, that first wave will be of their most talented, who feel confident they will land on their feet elsewhere, leaving those that simply cannot leave (yet) or those that will cozily under perform. When Amazon applies the inevitable followup reductions (subjectively based on their internal review process) to remove the latter, and the former buckle under the load or also leave, Amazon will be left with lower-middle talent at best.

The more I see of business "strategy" among this layer of "leadership", the more I'm convinced it is just a game of Jenga with talent, resources, infrastructure, security, quality, etc; pulling out as many pieces as possible in the drive for short term/sighted gains until a company collapses under its own dysfunctional "efficiency" and "success".

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It’s the culmination of “next quarter is someone else’s problem”.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago (4 children)

At the all-hands meeting, Garman said he’s been speaking with employees and “nine out of 10 people are actually quite excited by this change.”

Just imagine the conversation between the CEO of AWS and some random employee.

„What do you think about the return-to-office policy I propose, Cog #18574?“ „Great idea Mr. Garman sir, really smart move from your team. Incredible thinking and leadership from you Mr. Garman.“

continues to tell people that 9/10 employees he talks to are excited to return to office.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (4 children)

He has to be straight up lying. There’s no way 9/10 are excited to be ordered back into the office. If that were the case, they’d have been in the office already.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If the cloud is so great why can't you work remote?

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago

I mean that's a relief. Could they not leave before?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago

I forsee an Amazon brain drain about to happen.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago (2 children)

So admitting that it's constructive dismissal?

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's the intention behind that back to work decision.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

That's what I don't get though, these people seem to be delusional in that they think that they're a hard worker and looooove in person, so therefore every hard worker loves in person and the chaff will quit. Then they act shocked when their high performers largely leave to pursue remote or hybrid options. It's such a glaring inability to see people different from them as having any value.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (5 children)

What if 37 000 employes leave amazon same day ?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I asked our CTO at a town hall if there were plans to improve the office my team got moved to because they moved us from the nice office to the city and the back to the previous area but a crappy office. Nope.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

or they could fuck up key services with delayed code breaks before leaving. Programmers working for amazon should consider adding bullshit in the software and saying it was chatgpt

Go into the office and clog all the toilets.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Don't clog the toilets. It's not the c-suites who have to clean that up.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This makes zero sense.. If you're a cloud company why can't employees be in the cloud

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Because real-estate is physical money.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago

Another company that lays off it's talented people first, due to the meddling of a CEO where he has no business to.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Go into the office and waste every resource you can.

Plug in a fan + heater + aquarium + massage pad at your desk and leave everything on constantly even when you leave

Print every email and throw it in the trash.

Make coffee 50x a day and pour it down the sink

Flush a whole roll of TP every hour

Leave sinks on in the bathroom

Use entire tubs of soap to wash your hands

Turn on the microwave for hours at a time

Heat/cool office thermometer to force HVAC into overdrive

Open new browser windows until your computer crashes and repeat until the network goes down

Company wide meme emails that everyone participates in (team building) that crash servers and dominate inboxes

Pour sugar/crumbs everywhere so there's pest problems

Accept every phishing email

Put USB sticks found on the ground into your work computer

Open the door for strangers who want to get in the building without a badge

FORM A UNION

(nuclear option) introduce bedbugs to all your bosses offices

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Funniest to me in this kind of debate is having my N+1 manage us from across the country, having two team members in another town, and somehow, my ass being at home 15km from the office makes any difference at all to the daily life of the team? It doesn't. My actual manager, the dude giving us our marching orders, doesn't care. Shit, our N+1 doesn't care either, since he's almost always remote himself!

Only people I've seen actually care seem to be HR, for whatever reason.

I don't even get how any company with several sites has anything to stand on. Makes no fucking sense.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

BuT nO OnE WaNtS tO WoRk AnYmOrE1

Yeah, when you're having fun pissing off people, people are pissed off.

Who would have guessed?

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