this user is a mod of a huge .world news community btw
It makes perfect sense, if you don't think of Muslims as people.
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This doesn't say anything about Islam, way to wiggle in a non-related fact though.
Did you know that things can be implied through omission?
Ignoring that people were already living there says all it needs to.
They always shared the land with other peoples as well. They were there before, during and after.
You say that, but "sharing the land with the Palestinian people" and "making sure they're all dead so you don't have to share it" are two entirely different things.
Which of those is the nation of Israel currently working towards?
They're definitely trying, yeah. I'm holding out hope they won't succeed, but maybe that's misplaced.
I'm Palestinian, and both me and most other Palestinians around me have lost their beliefs in Palestine surviving. Neither the Gaza strip nor the West Bank.
I thank you for your hope, and I'm still boycotting whatever I can but that's just how it is
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You're going to have your mind blown when you find out that Islam came out of judism. There was a time when there were many jews and literally not a single Muslim on the planet. Christianity and Islam are groups of x-jews that murdered, raped and destroyed anything in their path. They pushed jews out of the land. I know this is all impossible to you because in your made-up world, nothing existed before the 1940s. That's just what happens when you are so against learning, it puts you into wacky made uo worlds that make no sense. The thing you hate is the thing you defend, you just can't be bothered to look at things from a deformed and chopped up world view. It makes sense, complexity takes effort.
Ah yes, the very differentiated worldview of "Christianity and Islam are groups of x-jews that murdered, raped and destroyed anything in their path."
The reality of it is that the abrahamic religions have all always had a militaristic bend to them because of their “our god is the only right god” belief.
The Jewish people were this way before Christian’s and Muslims existed.
Then the Jewish and Christian’s were this way before Muslims existed.
Then the Jewish and Christian and Muslims were this way when they all existed.
Shockingly the uniting thread between all three is HUMANITY and TRIBALISM.
Oh I won't pretend there hasn't been a lot of violence in the name of religion. I was just annoyed by the the wining about undercomplex worldviews combined with this absolute unit of a broad brush in the same comment.
Oh my guy the person you’re responding to initially is a moron, I’m not arguing against you by any means
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- Everything you said has nothing to do with what we were discussing, which is Israel and its backers dehumanizing the Palestinian people, and if it did it would be no justification for genociding them
- That's not how any religion works, we are not just all ex-zoroastrians. That all Abrahamic religions share a common origin is common knowledge.
- Thank you for getting condescending, I can now feel justified in saying you're either a troll or an idiot and I'm not going to waste any more time on you. Feel free to take the last word.
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This is... I have no idea what to say. That said, you do know that the Middle East was a safe haven for Jews during the Middle ages right?
I have no idea what to say. That said,
Powerful stuff.
gross! crazy to write this
humans lives are actually more important than preserving random human race lore structures from millennia ago
like it’s still okay to respect and pay homage to them, but as soon as the existing generation ticks over and people have lived their entire lives and built thriving communities for one another, it’s bad actually to use that lore to excuse killing and displacing them. nasty.
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Caption: "Zionists be like:" picture of a lizard standing in front of a house entrance, saying: "Hello... 300 million years ago my grandfather tyrannosaurs rex used to live here. GET OUT!
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8 When they asked if there was some group out of the tribes of Israel that had not gone to the gathering at Mizpah, they found out that no one from Jabesh in Gilead had been there; 9 at the roll call of the army no one from Jabesh had responded. 10 So the assembly sent twelve thousand of their bravest men with the orders, “Go and kill everyone in Jabesh, including women and children. 11 Kill all the males, and also every woman who is not a virgin.” 12 They found four hundred young virgins among the people in Jabesh, so they brought them to the camp at Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan. 13 Then the whole assembly sent word to the Benjaminites who were at Rimmon Rock and offered to end the war. 14 The Benjaminites came back, and the other Israelites gave them the young women from Jabesh whom they had not killed.
Emphasis mine.
Funny thing is, I can read old books too. And history shows that we all come from shitty people who murdered, raped, and ethnically cleansed the weak who stood in our way, be it for loot, ‘manifest destiny’, land, religious/racial purity, or just because sometimes.
Just because you’re looking at it from your lens and filter of bias does not make that exclusively true.
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What is the dominant religion of the people killed and displaced by "Israelis"?
And a follow-up: are you learning this for th4 fi4st time?
I'm just willing to look at history beyond some arbitrary point to try to win an argument. You are absolutely correct, if you ignore the parts of the past that don't agree with your pre-conceived notions, then you are right. Unfortunately for you, history doesn't care about where you choose to make arbitrary lines.
You'll notice you did not answer either question, O Great Context Appreciator Who Dares Not Mention Context.
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I guess "palestinians as people" would be more accurate
Non related? Give me a break
there are claims that the Arabs there were brought in from Egypt to work in the region in the 20th century, or something. In other words, they claim that Palestinians are actually Egyptian and from other neighboring states, and have only been living there for a century or so.
“i’m so sorry sir but your family has only lived in this household for checks notes 100 years and three generations. yeah so you are basically immigrants sorry, you understand why i have to bulldoze everything you own.”
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I think a lot of groups would have similar problems if they kept track of their genealogy over 3,000 years. Maybe where people you were related to 150 generations ago lived should not dictate global policy.
I live next to Germany, who conquered my country not even a handful of generations ago.
Nobody blames the current Germans.
Exactly, this is why decolonization is a crazy solution.
Any solution needs to focus on where people are today. Focus on getting what they need.
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Guy justifying White Colonialism with some fable about his race having a right to the land.
Every single colonialist movement that steals land fmro the natives and mass murders them has bullshit like this, all the way back to when the English stole the land from the natives and started calling themselves Americans.
Goes far further back than that. The Persian invasion of Turkey and the subsequent Greek invasion of Persia and Egypt comes to mind.
Roman conquests of the Mediterranean. The islamic conquest of North Africa, the Balkans and India.
Colonialism is not a new concept, it's conquest them staying to impose your culture on the locals and exploiting the local resources.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine also has colonialist objectives.
I will say he hasn't banned me for going directly against his pro isreal views yet. So that's a plus. But I'm not a fan of the erasing of any semitic people other than Jews as a justification for Genocide.
They may not, but the other mods on that comm are more than happy to do it for any other reasons.
So many threads where the only comments left are the pro zionist ones
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Shit lib supports genocide, what's new? .world tends to attract neoliberal bootlickers and reactionaries who call anyone left of them a "tankie".
I can't speak for others, but I have a threshold for it. Communists are fine. Anarcho-communists are fine. Privileged idiots living in a western country and holding the stance that "anything west is bad and therefore anything against the west is good" and praising dictatorship governments while calling themselves communist are not.
Yup. You can criticise the west, colonialism, and capitalism as much as you want. I'll agree with you more often than not if you do. But the second you start praising the imperial actions of Russia or China, or making absolutely laughable comments about China being the real exemplar of a democratic nation, or pretending the degree of censorship and authoritarianism in western countries is even remotely comparable to those of places like China and North Korea, you're a tankie and even the things I'd otherwise agree with you about become suspect.
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So, then, let’s do the Americas next…
According to jewish lore, aren't the Israelites originally from Egypt, and immigranted as refugees to what is now Palestine and Israel?
no but your curiosity is noble :) at the very basic, the jewish people emerged from the caananite population and egypt was a later thing i wish i could provide you resources to set you on the right track but i don’t see myself as smart enough and hope others can help out
As far as I know, Egypt was just a story from the Bible. There is no archaeological evidence of a Jewish population of size in Egypt.
There are two main positions on the historicity of the Exodus in modern scholarship.[1] The majority position is that the biblical Exodus narrative has some historical basis, although there is little of historical fact in it.[e][5][11] The other position, often associated with the school of Biblical minimalism,[25][26] is that the biblical exodus traditions are the invention of the exilic and post-exilic Jewish community, with little to no historical basis.[27] Wikipedia
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I'm not talking about real historic events, I'm talking about religious legends
I don't know precisely what Jewish mythology says of the time before they were enslaved in Egypt, but it definitely doesn't say that they were originally from Egypt, only that they were enslaved there for 100s of years.
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"mod of a huge .world community" ahhh and slowly the ".ml is an echo chamber!!!!" posts are beginning to shape up.
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