I really wish there was a truly open source version of GrayJay because GrayJay is actually Not OpenSource It's a cool application, don't get me wrong, but it NEEDS to be OpenSource & not "Source-First/Source-Available"
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It is open source, just not free open source
Typically licenses not OSI approved are referred to as "Source available" rather than "Open source". This is one reason FUTO (who make Grayjay) refer to their license as "Source first" and not "Open Source" (though they did call it that for a while before clarifying and switching to the new term).
And by "clarifying" you mean "dunking on Open Source and parading around like the saviors of the human race for inventing Open-Source-except-with-donation-nags-to-fund-their-fully-for-profit-business." Good job, guys, you've solved enshittification (/s).
One of the goals of source first licenses is to stop enshittification since it doesn't allow paid clones
Not saying I agree with their policy, but I would hope more for-profit businesses make their source code available
This is basically Proprietary Licencing in a way
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But they do provide a good alternative for watching videos on multiple platforms without ads, without subscriptions or anything. And the app works if you don't pay as well. Just because they ask money for their hard work while at the same time allowing the community to work with it sounds all good to me. It's just not completely open source and completely free. But feel free to make a non-profit true open source counterpart if you like :)
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Haha yeah I do find the licence a bit weird. Kind of a non-commercial licence but there are definitely some parts that I don't quite get.
I have seen Eron Wolf talking a bit about what he is trying to do. I get his frustrations, but am not convinced their licence helps with those at all. You can't really take open source, take away some freedoms that are sometimes taken advantage of, and pretend that removing those freedoms didn't remove the benefits that are the reason those freedoms existed in the first place.
U hate it when companies start with those mental gymnastics exercises to pretend they're open source so they can get more people that way
You're open source or you're not. In this case, you're not, so stop pretending. It makes me want to try your app even less.
They have talked a bit about what they are trying to do. It's backed by Silicon Valley billionaire Eron Wolf, and he has talked about his frustration with everyone putting their blood, sweat, and tears into the software and then someone like Facebook comes along and makes billions from the work of others.
I get it's frustrating, but personally I think it fails to see that Facebook is part of the ecosystem, but also so are many small companies, and many of these are contributing back to the software. If you remove the companies then you have removed a significant source of help. Eron wants to replace this with an expectation that people pay for their software, he wants to normalise paying for OSS so OSS doesn't have to rely on the companies. You can see this in how FUTO keyboard using language implying you need to pay to get a license, but also it holds no features back from you and doesn't nag if you don't pay.
Personally I welcome new ways of thinking but even if the pay for your OSS thing works I think companies are uniquely placed to contribute in ways that a small team relying on purchases is never going to be able to replicate.
I don't hold any ill will though, I think their heart is in the right place, albeit having missed what makes FOSS special.
My take: OSI needs to include noncommercial licenses. Companies like Mongo and Redis have to end up creating their own licenses with GPL poison pills just to survive commercial use, why not create a system where companies that want to be, and support, an "open source" ecosystem can thrive?
Open Source existed before OSI.
Proprietary source-available software existed before open source software, and that's what these restricted licenses are. The FOSS community does not appreciate businesses co-opting the term open source to promote software that doesn't grant users the right to use the source code for any purpose.
As a member of the FOSS community, and someone who has written an absolute truckload of FOSS software, I stand by what I said.
Open Source was coined before OSI was formed. OSI, and the previous launch of GNU by Stallman, was to combat the new (at the time) practice of only releasing machine code and the commercial vehicles that came along with it.
The original spirit of sharing source code for projects in academia, before software required so much more effort, still exists in licenses like SSPLv1, etc, that are not adopted by OSI.
I, personally, think this is a bad decision.
I, personally, feel that an organization that wishes to make their products source-available, especially those that allow noncommercial modification, should be recognized for that, not punished or gate kept.
I, personally, would love to see OSI adopt an open attitude towards those types of organizations, and create another official tier in the lexicon with it's own set of standard licenses that fit under it.
I understand and accept that other's don't feel that way, but that does not make their opinion about what should count as "open" any better than my own, just more widely accepted at the time.
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It's proprietary
No it's not. SF license allows for noncommercial modification, and it is Source Available.
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I am working on an alternative
Spill the beans!
Cannot release yet because I need to "plugin out" the youtube part which was integrated directly into the flutter app in my earlier builds, will be open source
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Grayjay mobile is awesome, very much looking forward to checking this out. Love how it puts all my YouTube, Patreon, Twitch and Peertube content in one place.
95℅ of the time my Patreon feeds fail to load. This isn't your experience?
There's an occasional error popup during playback, but the feeds and video still work here. I'm on Grayjay v268 w/ Patreon v17
My biggest issue is Peertube tbh, discovery is difficult, border line useless.
Why can't they be a website than an app for Dekstop?
Also understood that they're not open-source but are they privacy-respecting?
Edit: Went through their privacy policy and seems they're privacy-focused. I will be trying their app now.
Yeah if you know who's behind Futo (Louis Rossman) you will know he fights very hard for better privacy across the board among other things that are better for us consumers.
Edit: Futo being the company behind this app and other privacy respective apps.
when it comes to right to repair he's amazing. that being said, however, he hasn't had much positive to say about the SteamDeck which is leagues ahead of something like the Nintendo switch in terms of user freedoms and customizability.
Granted that's like one take I disagree with compared to ALL he's done but I'm still surprised he hasn't made a followup about how much good it's done for Linux in general considering he's been using Linux since it was in a physical box lol
the app is source available, it places some restrictions on modifications of the source code, but the code is fully available
Personally I've been using FreeTube for accessing YouTube as they are FOSS. Only thing I wish they would have a feature to share like subs with Tubular and watch history somehow. It doesn't have all the platforms Grayjay has but for just YouTube its pretty great
The peertube app recently launched and its pretty decent for a first release
Yes, finally! I've been using the mobile app, and it has been nothing but amazing.
It's an alpha release, so expect it to be buggy. Overall this is a good thing. We need more frontends.
That's awesome. I love the grayjay mobile app. I need more non YouTube creators to follow though
Is there a Flatpak?
Not yet. Had to manually download.
I am linux noob, they provided a .zip file for linux. Do I need to use the command line to install it?
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Mobile app has been the best YouTube app replacement I've found. And I just got the pop up about the desktop app on my drive home from work. Will for sure check it out.
I wish it more closely mirrored YouTube's native video suggestions, but it's pretty damn close.
That zip file is just one command away from an appimage
No website version? I hope the desktop app isn't Electron-based then.
Edit: It is. What the fuck?
Epic!
Hopefully there's light mode
Still can't set the video speed above 2.25x? Otherwise it's useless to me.
You'll have to teach me how you can follow/enjoy/understand any media at such high speed before I can understand your statement.
Gradualism
At first I watched every YouTube video on 1.5x for like 6 months.
Then I watched everything on 1.8X for another 6 months. Then 2.2x and so on.
Now I watch everything between 2.8x and 3.6x, Depends on the talking speed of the person in the video. I can understand everything.
Of course I watch some videos in normal 1x speed but those are usually just like artistic videos or movie trailers and stuff like that. If there is just a person talking to the camera, there is no reason for me to watch it in normal speed.
And what is the reason for doing that?
I thought that was obvious. Time.
You would not believe how much time I have saved over the years by doing this. When I can finish 30m video in less than 10 minutes.
I don't know about you, but when I come home from work, I don't have a whole evening to just watch yt videos.
This way I can finish the videos I wanted to watch a lot sooner and then I can go and do something else.
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