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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 122 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Biden: Hey here’s half a trillion dollars back on student loans, a trillion dollars on climate change, unions and manufacturing jobs, and a bunch of other stuff, all paid for by big increases in corporate tax

USA: Yeah but corporations are still doing bad stuff though

USA: We pick Trump

Biden: Alright fuck you then

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 56 points 3 months ago (1 children)

this is stuff that never would have made it all the way to implementation anyway; with voters shooting off their own feet last month, and some hand-picked maga judges ruling against the policy.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

Would it not have been smarter, politically, to push it through to the end and let the GOP take the heat for killing it?

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 73 points 3 months ago (4 children)

He's done what he could with the Republicans fighting him every step of the way. Better to spend this last month doing what he can to Trump-proof stuff.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 30 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Right right. That's why he needed to start doing things 3.9 years ago instead of screwing around for so long. What a failure. Or a success, depending on your perspective.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't know what the deal is with pulling this program now (although someone else said it was actually a way to block Trump from doing something worse), but he literally spent all four years trying to get through student loan forgiveness. His major plan was blocked by SCOTUS and he's been blocked by other judges every step of the way.

And the fact that you don't know that speaks much more about you than it does about him.

I have no love for Biden. I keep saying I hate that he's been one of the best presidents of my nearly 50-year lifetime because that just shows the low the bar is. But he still did clear that bar on occasion and trying to do student loan forgiveness is one of them.

He can't just make commands from on high and they get implemented, no questions asked. As Paddzr suggested, this is part of the reason why Trump won. People think the president is a dictator, which is why they elected a man promising to be a dictator.

[–] beansbeansbeans@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm not so certain he was genuine in wanting to get that done, or at least to the extent. He's one of the reasons student debt is so hard to discharge, and played a role in manufacturing the current crisis.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He was literally doing it. I'm not sure how much more "genuine" you can be.

[–] beansbeansbeans@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's not what I said. I said I'm not convinced how genuine he was in wanting to get it done. You can still do something you don't genuinely want to do; that's what half-assing something looks like.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't really care if someone tries to do the right thing for the wrong reason.

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[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

And this is why Trump won. Because people like YOU. Just because YOU didn't pay attention for 4 years, doesn't mean he sat on his ass doing nothing.

I hope reality hits you like a truck now.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Have you been living under a rock for 4 years? The fuck you mean he spent 3.9 years screwing around on this, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. This is one of the things Biden pursued hardest in the face of ridiculous opposition. It went to the Supreme Court. Like two years ago.

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[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Okay, so what is he doing to Trump proof stuff?

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

Trying to finally send all the money approved by Congress to Ukraine

[–] beansbeansbeans@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

He could use his "official acts" granted by the Supreme Circus to rid us once and for all of this turbulent turd. But he won't.

Motherfucker said "Nothing will fundamentally change"

[–] nshibj@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

He pardoned a bunch of rich criminals

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Pardoning Hunter and projecting an air of general, but aloof concern.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I dont think he was doing what he could. He could have done a lot more.

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[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 31 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Election promises mean nothing when they all (ALL OF THEM) are in the pockets of the evil rich

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Republicans are the only reason this promise wasn't fulfilled. Biden has been trying again and again to get this through.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"The bad cop is the only reason we're in this mess. The good cop has been honest and reassuring us that they're trying their hardest to ensure we get treated fairly."

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm so sick of our financial wellbeing being a pawn for these political asshats to play with...

My loan repayment period was supposed to end in June of this year as part of the service workers repayment plan. I wasn't even on the SAVE plan and my account has been put into some sort of weird limbo because of all this stupid garbage. My servicer won't even touch my account. They just keep extending the forbearance on it every time a new judge steps in.

Now Trump's gonna step in yet again and fuck us all even more...

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[–] Aarrodri@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I mean... The country spoke... So why bother.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The tiny majority of voters. Not the country. Close? Not really.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

All those eligible voters who didn't bother to vote at all who make up the rest of the country spoke too. They said they didn't give a shit.

So again, seems like a "why bother?" situation.

[–] Skates@feddit.nl 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's a great argument until you realize the rest of the country (the part that didn't speak) literally couldn't decide which is worse or just didn't care. So they did speak, and what they said was "hwbennfswbebnsjdjbdbshdukabw".

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[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 months ago

Rules were unfinished - they were trying to rewrite a second version after Republicans kept blocking it in court. The unfinished rules already had republicans threatening to sue about it. Presumably ran out of time to complete it

He's still looking at other more narrow areas that are less able for Republicans to make BS challenges on

Biden is still pursuing other avenues for debt relief before his term is up. On Friday, his administration announced an additional $4.28 billion in debt relief for 54,900 borrowers in Public Service Loan Forgiveness — a result of ongoing improvements to the program. Despite not being able to pass broad relief, Biden, over the course of his term, has provided relief to nearly 5 million borrowers through changes to various programs.

[–] Kadaj21@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (3 children)

All I know is that if IDR is killed off, I’ll have to go into bankruptcy as i don't have enough for groceries for my family as is. I know the likelihood of getting the stident debt is next to impossible, but i might be able to afford that payment if my cc debt is killed off ($40k) but would still have mortgage, car payment, roof loan payment, and my private student loans as well. I’m just pretty much tapped out. Probably worth more dead than alive, though I’m the bread winner.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There will be a lot of bankruptcies and I can't see how that benefits the corporations that are expecting loan repayments. It seems like they lose either way, so maybe we should have let them lose without fucking over so many other people.

[–] esc27@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I sort of hope that happens because then people like me would go in and buy

Quote from a certain U.S. politician on real estate crashes...

[–] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago

You shouldn't assume you know things you've not done before. Student loan relief through bankruptcy is not 'next to impossible'. Since the new guidelines were drafted for judges about 98% of student debt holders seeking bankruptcy had some or all of their loans discharged.

You should also be aware that not all studen loan debt is equal. The higher requirements for discharge only apply to loans for tuiton specifically. If you got extra in your loans for computers, car, room, board, etc, then those amounts are treated like any other unsecured debt during bankruptcy.

There are articles/guidelines/worksheets that you can find on the Dept of Education and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau websites to help you get a good idea of how your specific situation is likely to turn out.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Private student loans can be discharged.

[–] Tygr@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

My kids were hyper aware out of high school of the burden of student loan debt and refused to sign on any federal loans. I’m proud they graduated college without debt… they did it sacrificing party time with work time, but they are financially better off because of it.

So many kids now have learned that signing paperwork can mean financial ruin that can’t be bankrupted.

That’s a good thing.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They didnt vote for him why would he do anything to help. Hes just as spiteful as trump lol.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They didnt vote for him

I know, right? I keep trying to find someone who voted for Joe Biden in November and I haven't found a single person!

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

Crazy that hey there has to be at least one around here somewhere.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Trump said he was going to reinstate all the debt anyway.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Do you have a source for that? I'm not sure how one would even go about bringing debt back that has been effectively erased.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

You can't, but that never stopped Trump from saying shit like this. "Mexico will pay for the wall"

I don't have a source but that is about as Trump as Trump can get.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago
[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

LOL. The absurdity at this rate...

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 months ago

They were never serious about it.

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