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Summary

Key leaders of the “Abandon Harris” movement, which encouraged voters to oppose Kamala Harris due to U.S. support for Israel during the Gaza war, are now expressing unease about Trump’s incoming administration.

Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.

However, concerns are growing over his Cabinet picks, such as Mike Huckabee and Tulsi Gabbard, which some see as troubling for Muslim communities.

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[–] doctortofu@reddthat.com 291 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

"Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East"

How the FUCK would you hope for that? Have you been living under a rock and didn't know who Trump actually is and what he does? The Muslim ban Trump? That Trump? Bringing peace to the Middle East? Seriously?

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 176 points 2 months ago (5 children)

The American electorate is stunningly stupid and disconnected from reality. Look up some of the trending Google searches on election day, they're stupider than you think

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 68 points 2 months ago

Like the ones confused that Biden wasn't an option.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 87 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yes: the guy who banned Muslims from entering the US on his previous term will end the war and bring peace to the Middle East.

monkey’s paw curls

palestinians are thoroughly genocided and Gaza + West Bank + other lebensraum in the area have all structures reduced to grade #7 gravel

That is also technically peace, in that there is no more fighting. It’s just a really bad one.

Truly, the gullibility of some people simply beggars belief.

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[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 68 points 2 months ago (14 children)

Wait wait, I remember a guy who was constantly arguing and berating everyone about how Biden was just the worst Satan reincarnation or some shit and how we all needed to band together against both him and Harris. Oooh @HomerianSymphony , you still around, bud?

We'd like an interview.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They were probably just astroturfing, and now that they've successfully completed their objective, they've got no reason to stick around.

I still see a handful of the useful idiots that were on here paroting those talking points, and I have to wonder if they've been able to accept that they were sold a bill of goods.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I have to wonder if they've been able to accept that they were sold a bill of goods.

They were the bill of goods. They were a line item on the Trump campaign budget. Their temp job is over so they're not posting.

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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 227 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (13 children)

I voted for Harris. I voted for Biden. I voted for Clinton.

I still wouldn't warn a single one of them if they were about to get hit by a bus.

Its harm reduction. They don't solve anything. They just keep us treading water sinking slowly whereas Republicans start taking a hammer to the hull to open up new holes.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 81 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (34 children)

Harm reduction is bad?

Obviously, it's not ideal, but one has to act according to the real life conditions... And in 2024, our only two options were "harm reduction," and literal fascism with literal concentration camps.

Fuck you if you didn't choose harm reduction.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

To be fair to them, we're just delaying collapse. It is a choice.

I agree with them that there's no saving this constitutional structure. In one sense it's cowardly, because there's no escape from this capitalist slaughterhouse hellscape without collapse. Collapse is necessary. Trump will certainly usher that in faster.

But Im too much of a softy to let the blood that always has to spill be on my hands.

This country was irreparable since Reagan, a zombie nation oligarch piggie bank. My vote was a cowardly one for a few more years of quiet orderly slaughter, NOT peace.

But we lost, so the slaughter will be loud and bigger than it's ever been, so maybe it's time for revolution if we want our kids to have anything left.

Because in 4 years the DNC WILL anoint someone to meet Trump's economy in the middle, and even I may not be able to stomach voting for that.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Kamala was in a weird place as well.

Normally it's easy for people to hold their noses for an incumbent. But if Kamala won. Shed run again in 2028.

Which would mean from 2012 to 2032, there wouldn't have been a fair Dem primary.

20 fucking years...

Party leaders don't understand that when you take primaries away, it hurts general turnout. Because regardless of who wins, the primary is the time for the eventual candidate to get their finger on the pulse and see what voters want.

Which is reliably that the Dem candidate moves left.

Without a primary they move right and turnout goes down.

We have literally decades of data that shows this, but it's not what the donors want and the present DNC wants donations more than votes.

Hopefully Winkler gets chair in a few months and that changes.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

The DNC would rather have Trump as POTUS than Sanders or AOC.

With Trump, the bribe money keeps flowing to both party machines, They are both paid to keep this sociopath owned economy safe from the people.

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[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 29 points 2 months ago (7 children)

If you're only voting for harm reduction year after year and doing nothing to try and organize grassroots opposition to the lesser evil, yes constantly voting harm reduction is bad. It's how you allow lesser evils to grow into the larger evils of the current DNC, who care more about fundraising than winning.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 75 points 2 months ago (17 children)

I voted for Harris. I voted for Biden. I voted for Clinton.

I still wouldn’t warn a single one of them if they were about to get hit by a bus.

American Democracy in a nutshell. You get two choices, they're both awful for different reasons. One of them wants to see you executed for your religious beliefs/sexual preferences/nation of origin. The other is continent to sell bunker buster bombs to some raving psychotic mass murderers overseas. Nobody is going to do shit about climate change, though, so we're all on the clock in the long run.

Its harm reduction.

It increasingly feels like the closest thing to harm reduction the US achieved was the time Trump fucked up his COVID response and a bunch of his senior leadership choked to death on their own lung fluid.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 47 points 2 months ago

bunch of his senior leadership choked to death on their own lung fluid.

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[–] elrik@lemmy.world 113 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have zero sympathy for those who only regret their vote for Trump now that his policies - which were always obvious - come back to haunt them personally.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 86 points 2 months ago (17 children)

“Abandon Harris” movement, you mean half of Lemmy? Where are you clowns now?

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 88 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Moscow. Same place they've always been. Just a lot less work to do now.

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[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 80 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.

😂🫵

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well, when you completely crush a region, what comes after could be called peace, I guess.

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 73 points 2 months ago
[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 71 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 68 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Bryarr Misner, who worked as a campaign manager for the Abandon Harris campaign in Pittsburgh, admitted they voted for Trump, with NBC reporting, "He said the point of the Abandon Harris campaign was to punish the Democrats for supporting Israel during its war in Gaza, which the campaigners view as a genocide, and he hopes the Trump campaign will be more willing to negotiate with group leaders."

This is a person that was only ever going to vote for trump. Dipshits up and down.

[–] DrPop@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

I mean Trump said what he has to say about Gaza. He supports Israel. This was before the election too. They have no excuse.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 62 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I would really love to be in the room with these idiots the moment they hear that Trump has signed the law that will arm Israel to the teeth and sanction them to exterminate every Muslim in Gaza. I want to see the terror and regret in their faces. Because this is what they have wrought.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

But Kamala Harris had Liz Cheney on stage with her that one time!!!!!!^/s^

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Honestly that's a whole other problem. The Democrats need to fucking stop courting the "moderate conservatives". Those fucks will N E V E R vote for a Democrat over a Republican. No matter how godawful they are.

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[–] cmrn@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago (1 children)

voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East

what

[–] fiddlesticks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I guess you could argue that total eradication of anyone that Israel hates will bring peace so they were sorta right

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[–] recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee 48 points 2 months ago (5 children)

No no no,they saved Palestine, remember?

Now that the Dems aren't in control all those Palestinians are perfectly safe.

Right, tankies? That's all you were screeching about back in November. Now it's cricket chirps, like Palestine even mattered to you lot. Disgusting.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago

Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.

Dipshits

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago

Way to go assholes. You fucked around and now we all get to find out.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Show me a trump voter who is not a wealthy white male and I'll show you an idiot.

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[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 44 points 2 months ago

The leopards are looking mighty hungry.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago

Well, this is all very fucking stupid. WHAT THE FUCK did they think was going to be the outcome? Did they really think donvict was going to be better here?

[–] veniasilente@lemm.ee 41 points 2 months ago

Leopard, meet face.

[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago

🐆🍽👨🏻‍🦲

[–] Big_Boss_77 37 points 2 months ago
[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Unfortunately it boiled down to selecting the lesser of the two evils and the Abandon Harris clowns chose the neo-Nazi MAGAts which will send, for free, a nice assortment of 155 mm artillery shells to Israel.. From my point of view, zero sympathy for your FAFO.

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[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 months ago

How could anyone have seen this coming.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

We fucking told you so.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

Trump has only ever wanted to glass the place.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Alt Timeline: "French Revolutionaires doesn't believe their leadership is good enough, supports the Monarchy instead" 🤡

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[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 27 points 2 months ago

Trump doesn’t negotiate. He’s a tyrant. They’re in for a world of hurt and punished a lot of innocent people with their votes.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (32 children)

It's weird people are blaming the ones who didn't vote...

Obviously, if they voted trump, blame them away.

But it's like people don't realize how big of an ask it was to have people to vote for a genocide, especially when it's against the country someone came from and their family is still there.

If Kamala would have won, trying to criticize her would have worked as well as criticizing Biden on Israel the last four years. Any criticism would be met with "Trump would be worse".

With trump in charge, people will (rightfully) call out American support of a genocide as wrong. So while trump will undoubtedly make shit worse. Him being president means the Dem party will criticize him, and be more left in 2028.

If Kamala had won, she and the party would have moved more to the right in 2028. Just look at what happened after 4 years as VP. The few parts of her 2020 platform people liked, she moved to the right on.

The genocide of Palestinians didn't start two years ago, it's been going on for 70 years. It makes sense they're thinking long term rather than only focuses on the "now" and voting for a lesser evil that maintains the status quo that is a genocide.

If you want someone to blame, it seems like the blame should be on the "left" candidate that ignored everyone actually on the left and became bff's with Liz Cheney. Not the people that understand when a Republican wins, we get a primary which even when the party pick wins, the primary pulls them left. Even if it's just lies to win the primary, as long as they keep the lies up, it helps in the general because voters want Dems to move left.

Without a primary, the chosen candidate takes the left for granted and moved right. In this case if Kamala won, we wouldn't have another option in 2028 either, it would be 2032 before the next real primary.

Like...

I just don't see how someone could blame anyone except the candidate, her campaign team, and the DNC.

They're the ones that prevented a real primary, and that made the campaign platform that alienated lifelong Dem voters in hopes of gaining republican voters who wouldn't be caught dead voting for a Dem.

It obviously failed, and the media is desperate to blame anything other than the stuff their billionaire owners bribed the Dems to support.

They'll never ever say the problem was a Dem is too "fiscally conservative" because they're the ones paying neoli eral candidates to pretend that's a good move for the average American

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 42 points 2 months ago (16 children)

Fun fact: if you're not actively against neofascists, you are with them, and everything you say to justify sitting at their table should and will be considered insincere vaporing. It really blows that other people are going to suffer when you get what's coming to you. I feel bad for them. I better not hear so much as a sigh out of you, since you're getting what you wanted, what you knew would happen, and what you chose.

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