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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The support will include both a $1.25 billion drawdown package for Ukraine's military and a $1.22 billion package authorized through the U.S. Department of Defense's Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, according to Biden. The department has now used all funds allocated by Congress under that initiative, he added.

I'd say at least he did it even tho he waited till the last minute...

The U.S. Department of Defense will be delivering hundreds of thousands of artillery rounds, thousands of rockets and hundreds of armored vehicles to Ukraine, Biden said, "which will strengthen Ukraine’s hand as it heads into the winter."

But there's only 3 weeks till trump's in office, so I'll wait to see if the deliveries are made before celebrating

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I do at least have some hope that if Trump attempts to prevent it happening, he will do so by tweet and therefore be ignored by the actual people responsible for it

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

It's the dictator's dilemma.

The only people they want to work for them has to always tell them what they want to hear, and those are bad employees.

So stuff like this, if trump even mentions it, someone will just tell him it's handled whether it is or not.

I'd feel a lot more confident of good people stopped resigning and stayed to do what good they can, but trump ain't filling those spots with competent employees

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

I'm all for helping Ukraine but it seems like a constant spit in the eye seeing our govt shell out billions of dollars worth of aid to other countries while our own citizens fight to survive this corporate hellscape that constricts us tighter and tighter by the second.

Edit: I'd love for someone to explain to me how it's not insulting to send billions to countries like Ukraine and Israel or wherever tf else when all that money could've been used to create federal programs that actually help American citizens like the homeless or literally anything like that.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

60 billion is a drop in the bucket, the majority of which isn't cash, it's equipment that's been sitting and is no longer being used. That 60 billion is put back into our own economy because it means jobs are being made to replace said equipment. It's a win win for both sides. We're also the richest country on the planet, we have plenty to do what we need to here at home, but it's not getting done because of Ukraine, it's not getting done because we have politicians who are beholden to the rich oligarchs here.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

That kinda supports my argument though. It's not helping American citizens it's helping American oligarchs.

[–] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No, Ukraine's survival is not good for American oligarchs and nowhere in the comment you're responding to was that even vaguely implied

[–] GlobalCompatriot@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sinking Ukraine in endless debt that they default on so it will be swept up by the oligarchy is good for American oligarchs.

[–] aubeynarf 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yes, we should let them be swept up by Russia, which has a far worse corruption and oligarchy problem, instead.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

It's not that different from Roosevelt's WPA but with the rich getting a cut off the top for their continued support.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

The fuck? Nothing I said was even remotely in support of your argument. What part of us giving our old equipment to Ukraine, which in turn helps support jobs here did you not get?

[–] _chris@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

American leaders aren’t in it for the citizens any longer.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Congress allocates, executive administrates.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That is to say that Congress has allocated money. Your issue is with them.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

How does that detract from what I said at all? It doesn't matter the process. What matters is we're prioritizing other countries over our own and it's pathetic.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

It provides focus.

I suppose your Congress Critter could provide an answer.

[–] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

The aid we send to Ukraine is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of wealth we allow the ultra rich to hoard. Our wealth tax rates are already criminally low, and even on those the underfunded IRS fails to collect somewhere between $500 billion to a trillion every year.

Our lack of a public safety net has nothing to do with foreign aid, and everything to do with our corrupt government doing everything it can to entrench the oligarchy.

Edit, didn't think to source it until after I commented, looks like I sort of misremembered an old politico article, which is kind of a shitty source anyway--but everything other than the exact numbers I mentioned is still true

Also, lumping Israel and Ukraine together as equally bad is ludicrous

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In the scale of the US GDP this amount is nothing.

The US spends easily 500x this on its citizens. Foreign aid is essential for America to maintain its place in the world order. This investment pays for itself a million times over through American foreign relations and trade.

So to answer your question, this is not insulting because it's a tiny fraction of Americas budget and it will benefit America and its citizens.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

How is blowing up Palestinian people good for America? Like Ukraine is one thing as I've already stated but Israel is an entirely different beast (a genocidal beast at that).

You say it's a tiny fraction of what we spend on our own citizens but then where is all that money going? Our billionaires are richer than ever meanwhile homelessness is at record highs since the fuckin depression.

Make it make sense.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Holy moving goalposts Batman!

No one mentioned Palestine.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 3 months ago

How is blowing up Palestinian people good for America?

You should ask that in another post/comment because everyone is answering the Ukraine part. Anyway the return the US is supposed to be getting is an unstable Middle East, preventing the rise of a regional power (matters for cheap oil) and getting an "unsinkable aircraft carrier" in the region. It's evil as fuck and its efficacy is debatable but that's the theory.

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[–] mercphilby@discuss.online 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I’m insulted too. Ukraine isn’t our problem. If we aren’t going to police ourselves, we shouldn't be policing the world.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Funny how you brought up the country fighting against genocide but not the country fighting for it

[–] mercphilby@discuss.online 3 points 3 months ago

Fuck Israel too. Just so you know that you’re way off base.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

All this while the homeless rate in the United States increased to 18%.

It shows were Biden's (and Senate Democrats) priorities are when he'd rather spend billions to shore up the American empire's expansion rather that spending less than half of that to help Americans who have no shelter, home, nor prospects.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Again, not Biden. Congress

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's even worse; it means that even the democrats in charge of the Senate have the same fucked up priorities along with Biden

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Of course spending bills originate in the House. But, don't let me stop you from blaming Biden.

[–] aubeynarf 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I don’t think he’s from here

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I think this is poorly veiled.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I think you're right

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, with a Democrat controlled Senate who has the power to stop it as well as a Democrat president that can also veto it.

The narrative redirect in this instance is so disgusting.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

When was the last time a Republican controlled House, Senate and President passed a bill to help the homeless you seem to be so worried about?

[–] GlobalCompatriot@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

'but Republicans' is always the default to distract that Democrats can't govern.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The number for January 2024 is 18.1% higher than in 2023.

By 18%, not to 18%

[–] aubeynarf 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

“American empire’s expansion,” LOL.

make sure you don’t mention the fact that it is Russia that invaded Ukraine, claimed its territory, and expects to rule it.

[–] aubeynarf 4 points 3 months ago

The US homeless rate is around 0.2%, not 18%

[–] GlobalCompatriot@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

They care for empire more than they do its citizens. And I'm going to bet most of the people that are down voting you are also struggling financially while defending our country ignoring them.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I agree with your first sentence in general, but this is not giving money that could better be used to help the homeless. This is giving equipment that is sitting in warehouses. This equipment is assigned a dollar value.

Let's say we could somehow sell this stuff and convert it to money, then it could be used to help the homeless right? Also wrong in this case. It has been allocated by Congress to help Ukraine. It cannot be used otherwise.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

yes, i've learned not to bother responding to liberals on liberal territory. i'm not responsible for; nor capable of; educating anyone.

[–] aubeynarf 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Which marxist-leninist government do you think is the best? China, or North Korea?

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[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

The united states has funded its military to be capable of fighting a two front war with both Russia and China. We already spend hundreds of billions every year building and stationing equipment and troops in Europe and NATO allies.

Ukraine has been doing all of that for us for YEARS.

[–] GlobalCompatriot@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

In the meantime US homeless is at another all time high, which tops last years all time high. 18.1% higher than last years high of 12%

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

I don't know how many times this needs to be explained, but this is not money. It is not stacks of cash we could use to hand out to the homeless, or to rent them apartments.

This is war materiel. Artillery shells, vehicles, etc. It is assigned a dollar value. This is stuff we have sitting in warehouses, sometimes pretty old and in need of replacement anyway.

I'm no fan of the military industrial complex, but these donations could even be seen as a way to create American jobs in American factories, building modern replacements for what is being sent.

[–] aubeynarf 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Wow it’s like the current “sow division” anti-US talking point

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Shut up; the economy's doing great by every metric politicians care about.

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