We should deport people with, and I’m just pulling a random number here, 34 or more felonies.
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Funny coincidence. *squints*
If this becomes law, I wonder how it will end up affecting US agriculture, and through it, the food supply.
We already know. The answer is: poorly.
Do you think these ~~people~~ fuckheads are missing something the rest of us presume all others have, like object permanence?
What if they can't imagine ripe produce rotting in the fields?
Read the comments section on various WSJ articles when these sorts if aetickes are published. The solution is always and every time that American workees are lazy, so take away all and any oftheir benefits and that will force them to work.
Indentured slavery of thwir fellow citizens appears to be the answer, instead of indentured slavery of immigrants
Nterstibgky in Australia when the point comes uo it's always and everybtiine pay more and offer better conditions.
We never seem to rin oit of people for banking ot finance jobs, sone start uo selling crystal eggs you shove in the eye of your cock to ward away evil spirits or whatever , just farm labouring , construction etc why is that?
"unskilled labor" is an excuse I've heard regarding removal of rights and safety net.
They won't have to imagine it if this shit gets passed. It's a foregone conclusion that it's what will 100% happen.
I'm not too familiar with that specific Georgia's law, but from the article it cracks down on illegal immigration and the companies that hire them.
I don't think that this specific law is the issue, illegal immigration and all the exploitation of vulnerable people that come with that status needs to end.
How about we end it by legalizing them and letting them continue to do their jobs if they want to do them?
There is a process for legalising them which they can go through.
I doubt you have looked into what that process entails or you wouldn't be saying that. So how about we just legalize their presence and let them continue to do their jobs if they want to do them? They're paying taxes and contributing to the economy.
I do think that the immigration processes need an overhaul, but this is one of the things i would describe as a necessary evil. I don't think America (or any developed country for that matter) would fare well if they were to make immigration and citizenship attainment a very easy process.
Would developed countries be able to control the potential security risks, increased labour markets, lower wages and housing scarcity that would occur as a result of massive migration from the third world? I personally don't think so.
No one said anything about citizenship. Don't muddy the waters. This is about legal immigration status so that they can work.
Would developed countries be able to control the potential security risks, increased labour markets, lower wages and housing scarcity that would occur as a result of massive migration from the third world? I personally don’t think so.
These are people who are already here. Again, this is not what we are talking about.
Fair enough. I might've misunderstood your argument a little there.
Is the process reasonable? No, of course it's not, because that's the point. You can't abuse citizens as much as you can abuse foreigners. If you don't believe me, move to a different country and find out.
A tale as old as America. Some 1963 history for y'all:
Kimble and a group of farm workers are surrounded in the hills by a huge fire and he must reveal that he's a doctor in order to save the life of a pregnant, illegal immigrant.
More plot details from that page:
Dr. Kimble, harvesting onions at an onion field, faces hostility from the other farm workers. A number of them are Mexican laborers who are suspicious about his presence - after all, he doesn't look like one of them. The workers are recruited to help fight a forest fire. When a pregnant woman starts to feel labor pains, the nurse discovers she can't have a natural delivery. They need an obstetrician to perform a cesarean section. But with fire all around them, and the roads blocked, it's impossible to get to a hospital in time.
We still don't have a real budget and also a debt ceiling crisis. But sure. Great priorities.
And the genocide begins.
I don't think deporting immigrants who don't have status counts as a genocide. We should avoid watering down key words.
Do you think this will just stop with immigrants? Do you think racist cops are going to care if brown people are here legally or not? Do you think they'll even care if they have an ID with them?
I didn't say it was in full swing, I said it begins.
This sounds very tinfoil hat-ish.
Not saying I don't somewhat agree with what youre getting at, but you sound like you think the world is already over, or that not a single moral is left on earth.
It's not tinfoil hat-ish at all. It has happened more than once already.
https://immigrationimpact.com/2021/07/30/ice-deport-us-citizens/
There's a difference between what's been labeled as "a mistake" per the article you shared and what you're alluding as by intention.
Also, semi-related. It's important I think to mention US citizenship is broken into 3 types: US Citizen, Naturalized US Citizen, and Non Citizen. This is more likely to be a problem for Naturalized Citizens than US born. Each is different in their own ways.
https://immigrationlawyersusa.com/can-a-us-citizen-be-deported/
What exactly do you think that difference is going to be going forward?
But I can see you're making excuses for these fascists and their genocidal plans, so I think this is a fruitless discussion.
from a linked article
Victims include a landscaper snatched in a Home Depot parking lot in Rialto and held for days despite his son’s attempts to show agents the man’s U.S. passport; a New York resident locked up for more than three years fighting deportation efforts after a federal agent mistook his father for someone who wasn’t a U.S. citizen; and a Rhode Island housekeeper mistakenly targeted twice, resulting in her spending a night in prison the second time even though her husband had brought her U.S. passport to a court hearing.
kinda hard to believe they're just mistakes, if the article to be believed.
Cultural genocide is genocide. Just cause you don't consider them legal doesn't mean they don't have friends family and culture here. Justify it anyway you want but don't say it's "watering down" just cause you don't know what that word fully means and don't care about this particular form of genocide.
It's a pretty hot potato word so I generally stay with the UN definition. As I said on another comment it can be bad, it can be a human rights violation and state oppression without being Genocide.
It's a hot potato word only in the sense that people who support genocide really fucking hate it when what they do is called such. To those people I say their concerns are bullshit and they can stuff it. We are talking about a mass incarceration and deportation of a racial group for the purpose of the destruction of that culture from a country. We are talking genocide. Why do you want to let evil men define their deeds as anything else than the thing it is? Do you support them? Are you here to poison the well? Or are you just so caught up in trying to intellectualize a genocide you can't see the bodies at your own god damn feet? Either way, stuff it.
Because there's 65 million Hispanic citizens in the US and the only thing Trump has stated is he wants to deport immigrants who are here without documentation.
So yeah without actual evidence you don't get the label.
Again.
It can be illegal, bad, no good, and horrible, without being Genocide.
Also, there isn't any evidence he would make citizens a target. None of those articles actually presents evidence for that.
Removing temporary protections and continuing Biden's arbitrary Asylum bans isn't Genocide either.
That's the entire sole point here.
By God the man is illiterate
There is a vast gulf between an advocate stating they believe he would do something and actual evidence that he would do something.
There is a vast gulf between a random "advocate" and a guy you have hired and given a position by which he is able to do the things he says he is going to do. Once again. I can't tell if you are actually just not able to comprehend the very easily comprehendable information or if you are maliciously attempting to run propaganda. The fuck is wrong with you?
With increased deportations it's going to cause a problem with housing all these people while they await deportation proceedings. The options are to build huge camps and prisons to hold these people or expedite their deportation, which would ultimately result in American citizens and legal immigrants being deported. Large camps and prisons will cause a huge amount of family separation and large scale abuse and possibly issues with starvation and other humanitarian atrocities. You're completely unaware that there are over ten million illegal immigrants in the u.s.
It can absolutely be criminal, be a human rights violation, be state terrorism, be oppression. It just doesn't fit the UN definition of Genocide.
Put your money where your mouth is an deport the most well known illegal immigrant for all his sexual abuse and harassment: Elon.
I struggle to see how this is a problem.
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Keep moving the goal posts and you never will.
Which goal posts did i move? Why must Lemmings always reply with snark?
"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command. The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!".
There has already been talk of revoking citizenship of residents. Legally here and not criminals, at least that haven't committed crimes here. You can argue that they committed crimes in their home countries but that's not what's being mentioned here. Even then, that's a minority within a minority. Should we deport women that broke sharia law? What about the man that killed the guy that abused his underage daughter and fled the country with his family to avoid retaliation. Maybe just the homeless people that came in search of a better life? These are made up examples but where do you draw the line. Either everyone is safe or nobody is. Extradition is a thing, sure but that's not what's being discussed. The fact that the conversation is currently "everyone is welcome except ____" means that the goalposts have already moved. We are now talking about exceptions which means that over time that list of exceptions will grow. How long before "only the _____ are welcome". Surely this doesn't end here. And I'm sure that every step of the way you will just sit there thinking, "yeah that makes sense".
"And then they came for me"
It's a problem because illegal immigrants contribute more to society and the economy than they consume. They also should have been allowed to become an American citizen as easily as anyone born here in the first place, and be treated the same as anyone under the law. Deporting them hurts everyone.
Surely they can convicted, right?
Right?
"an advocate" THATS THE GUY HE HIRED TO DO IT. THATS NOT AN ADVOCTE. THAT MAN IS EMPLOYED TO DO THE THING HE IS SAYING HE IS GOING TO DO. Christ. Your helpless. You wanna give any excuse you can to avoid the obvious. I don't know if your malevolent, spineless or stupid. But you clearly don't care enough for your own perception of reality to be changed. I'll be back when it's happening as the ghost of Christmas past to remind you of what you excused