Why is Germany not just blocking Twitter? I don't get it.
this post was submitted on 09 Jan 2025
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The more serious issue is, why haven't they banned AfD. Where the fuck is the "Defensive" in "Defensive Democracy"?
After the actual Nazis banned a party, people made it far more difficult to ban parties.
You can try it, but it could fail. And the whole spectacle means more attention for them.
The afd is not the root problem and won't go away if it were banned
The problem is moderate politicians persistently ignoring (and patronising) the working class over serious reservations they have over immigration and cultural dilution
Same as everywhere else..
When I moves to Germany I saw the exact same propaganda lines used in the US against African Americans and Median Americans leveraged against Turkish immigrants. The same percentage bullshit, the same lazy / taking our job lines.
Cultural dilution is not an objective metric, it's a tool to rule up the uneducated and the racist. It's all culture warfare to hide the constant class warfare.
The problem is not the immigrant population in every country on earth, totaling hundreds of millions of people, it's the billionaire/millionaire class in every country totalling tens of thousands of people. The fuckin growing wealth disparity isn't happening because of skilled labor or asylum seekers, it's because of the rich.
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If you block certain social media channels that you personally don't agree with while being in charge, you set a dangerous precedent for other people blocking things they don't agree with should they ever come to power.
And censorship doesn't address the root cause in the first place. Alt-right / far-right clowns know that they are often operating outside of the law or at the very least skirting a line that makes them prone to being observed, so they'll typically operate with VPNs or other obfuscation tech that will let them access Twitter regardless.
All a block achieves is that regular citizens can't inform themselves about the crap that is being spewed to invalidate claims made by the right.
Germany has never had a problem with censoring Nazis in the past. I see no reason why they should start.
And I have no problem censoring harmful propaganda. The idea that harmful propaganda should be allowed because of some nebulous concept of freedom of speech is nonsense.
The AfD is a legitimate political party. Legitimate as in, they haven't been caught with anything openly anti-constitutional.
Individual members have been, and were tried in court, and if found guilty were publicly expelled from the party, hence they operate under the guise of plausible deniability for the time being.
Nazi propaganda has been blocked once it's confirmed anti-constitutional, but you can't block a political party just like that.
And blocking Twitter as a whole is quite a big difference to blocking certain individuals or groups. No matter how much crap is on there, there are still a lot of legitimate postings, not least from legit government actors etc.
they haven't been caught with anything openly anti-constitutional.
The federal party is suspected to be anti constitutional and several state level partys have been declared as anti constitutional by the Verfassungsschutz, so that's not completely true.
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That might be a good idea, but I think that folks need to examine fundamental factors underlying the rise of the far right and the ways in which limiting speech may be a weak remedy.
Germany has never had a problem with it before (post-WWII).
What's the use of that information? They have that problem now.
It appears to be an internationally occurring problem.
No, I mean they have never had a problem limiting Nazi speech before.
Quite contrary, we have a big problem censoring Nazi speech.
We have some very specific rules when something can be censored and when it can't - and the far right has quite some training in "just not saying that, maybe only implicating it a little".
So any legal action outlawing then needs to rest on really solid legal basis or it will fail. Such a failure would be the propaganda the right wishes for.
Consequently they are always just shy of openly saying things but implying them. Like having election posters where their politicians can say "No we're not showing a Hitler salute in that image, we were just miming a roof of a house over a bunch of kids"
Sometimes a single politician gets caught with doing something too far, but then (of course) the whole party acts like they are shocked.
Getting rid of this shit is not easy, unfortunately. We can't censor what we don't like willy nilly.
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The power the ultra wealthy have to cross historic boundaries and bend the world to their will is unprecedented in history. We have to safeguard democracy against these people. Billionaires need to be taxed into the worker class for the safety of democracy. And doing so would mean massive societal improvement relatively overnight.
Tax the rich! They taste bad!
But billionaires will never be taxed, since they're the ones that decide laws. In my opinion, we need 10, 100 or even 1000 Luigi Mangiones.
We need to treat Nazis how they used to be treated
We need to treat Nazis how they used to be treated - after 1945
FTFY
And before 2016
Foreign election interference is a thing. Maybe issue an international arrest warrant?
It's getting investigated on the German side as illegal party financing. As a foreigner he's allowed to donate 1000 Euros while an influencer campaign with similar reach would cost way more. The EU is adding it to the pile of investigations under the Digital Services Act which has quite some provisions for large online platforms.
They need to ban X asap.
The polls show AfD at 18% now. I have to admit I'm seriously scared. We need to ban this bastards asap.
18% was before christmas. Now they are at 20-21% in the polls.
Had not seen that Allensbach has not updated yet. It is usually much closer to the results than e.g. INSA. But yeah, looks they went up a bit indeed. ffs..
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Ban AfD, issue arrest warrant for Musk for spreading nazi propaganda. Problem sorted.
Unbelievable how many People can give an in-depth analysis from an Ocean away what exactly the Problem is and how to fix it.
How about you start by not electing Musk and his Sidekick as President?
That would be a good start and a lot of help for everyone.
Jesus christ, it's been months! Why aren't ee protecting our selves? Ban and sanction Elon! What's with the wait? We rarely wait THIS long to act on Russian or Chinese bullshit, and THEY TRY TO HIDE IT!
"Musk likes it, so you know it's bad!"
This thing that musk did raised concerns This other thing that musk did raised concerns This other thing...
THEN WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?
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