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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.


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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from [email protected] for being fake vegans.

From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.

PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don't want to insult anyone here being a 'bastard'. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.

PPS: Some instances or clients seem to compress the screenshots in a way they're unreadable. Find the full resolution here: https://imgur.com/a/8XdexTm

Linking the affected users and mods: @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Generally very radical vegans also have a right to their own community, however I also think there should be spaces for less radical veganism as well. It seems that currently there's none of those available, or maybe the general hostility of social media against vegans makes any of their more tolerant spaces eventually close ranks to protect their sanity. Unfortunately vegan spaces are constantly brigaded by trolls so it's understandable they have a very short fuse, and a lot of people get caught in the cross-fire.

I think the only solution here would be for a new vegan community with a focus on debate with non-vegans. However it will be tricky to find the right moderators for it who either won't be non-vegans themselves and therefore support a flood of concern-trolls and bad faith arguments, or be vegans that won't get immediately burnt out.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Is Sunshine Beaver's alt? If so then yeah i could understand why this happen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I was thinking exactly that, she is certainly behaving very similarly to how Beaver did back in the day and is absolutely power-tripping now. If banning people who criticize the mod's posts in any way is power-tripping, then accusing people of being fake vegans for disagreeing is absolutely power tripping.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

PTB. vegans deserve better representation in their leaders than this i hope we can get an alternative community that can allow discussion without weird purity purges.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Lol found out here that I had been banned from the community. Ty for sharing the information :)

Regarding the matter, I understand their reaction.
I've been interacting with some vegan circles IRL and some are more "hardcore" (not in a negative way) than others. When you consider animal exploitation as mass slavery, mass torture and mass murder, it becomes increasingly difficult to tolerate even light deviations from the all-vegan path.

This being said, I would have preferred they had a better wording for the temp ban reason than "fake vegan" by which I feel insulted and hurt.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (6 children)

The "all or nothing" crowd really knows how to stomp on progress, huh?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Are you "all or nothing" with stopping rape? Or would you be okay with some light raping happening, if the majority was anti-rape?

They clearly view this act as something as abhorrent as we would rape, so why are you surprised they don't want to meet half way on the topic?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Uh, because rape doesn't keep people alive? Because rape hasn't been a part of the human diet since before recorded history? What the fuck??

Take your bullshit whataboutism elsewhere. Holy shit, I have never seen such a bad take on the topic of veganism. I hope this is hyperbole and you don't ACTUALLY think the two things are comparable.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

When you consider animal exploitation as mass slavery, mass torture and mass murder,

... it is the time to speak to a psychiatrist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hello dear internet user,
It looks like you need to educate yourself on at least 3 topics before using your keyboard again:

  • why is it hurtful and not ok to rebutt other's opinions by suggesting they are mentally ill?
  • are other animals sentient, sociable and do they feel emotions and pain?
  • how are meat and dairy products produced and how many animals live in this system?

Once you've done the work, we'll be able to agree on the basics facts and exchange arguments on how we see the situation and the precise words we want to use.

Looking forward to engaging with you in good faith in the future,
Me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Hello dear internet user

It looks like you need to educate yourself about the terms like "food chain" and "what is the difference between food and humans".

Once you've done the work, we'll be able to agree on the basics facts and exchange arguments. Looking forward to engaging with you in good faith in the future.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

EDIT: It's pretty telling that everyone is reading this as an excuse to keep murdering instead of accepting that murder is part of being alive. "Life feeds on life." It is not pretty, it is ugly and dark. What should be taken away is a greater respect for all life and an understanding of what we're taking when we feed on life. It should be used as a pretext to respect all life and do your best to reduce harm to all life. Whatever life you're taking should be considered valuable and a sacrifice made. (Mass deforestation to make way for agricultural farming doesn't just hurt trees, it hurts the animals that live in them and among them, for instance. A soybean farm doesn't have the same ecological importance as an old growth forest, sorry.) The fact that this view is seen as a reason to kill more instead of kill less and have respect for the life you take is pathetic.

But keep ranting to me in your total misread of what I'm saying.


Just popping in to say the main reason that attitude is dumb because there is no such thing as moral absolutism.

animal exploitation as mass slavery, mass torture and mass murder

Do we consider antibiotics exploitative to penicillin? Do we cry over every breath we take in which our immune system automatically murders billions of bacteria?

Just because plants don't have faces like ours and don't look like us and don't scream when we kill them killing plants is fine somehow. They're all alive, you're still killing life, and in our great inhuman lack-of-wisdom we've decided that if it doesn't have a brain and consciousness like ours, then it most not have consciousness and thus it's okay to murder and exploit them.

Just call me the fucking Lorax. Who speaks for the trees, dude?

Anyway, no such thing as moral absolutism and these people will continue to climb higher and higher on their holier-than-thou-mountain only to become caricatures of a real person.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Isn't it pretty apparent?

If it can feel pain and suffer it shouldn't.

Bacteria do not have the capability to feel suffering. They cannot even feel.

Plants and fungi, despite their increased complexity, do not have the capability to suffer either.

The entire point of the field of ethics and half the field of philosophy is to reduce suffering. Torture is bad because it causes suffering. Killing is bad because it causes suffering. Slavery is bad because it causes suffering. Rape is bad because it causes suffering. Abuse is bad because is causes suffering.

Veganism extends this to animals who are capable of suffering in ways identical to us humans. It also raises important questions: Would it be ethical to treat aliens the same way humanity treats non-humans? What if the aliens are sufficiently stupid, yet still capable of civilization? What if they're smarter but live in solitude? Why exactly is it unethical to kill severely mentally disabled people? Is it just because humans view themselves as superior to every other living being in the universe?

I believe veganism is the objectively moral choice. Still, I'm not vegan for various reasons. But I don't have any qualms with admitting my behavior is objectively wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

The entire point of the field of ethics and half the field of philosophy is to reduce suffering

this is just a lie. one type of ethical study, utilitarianism, is focused on that. many ethical theories don't regard suffering at all, or only as a facet of some other concern.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Lol, I got my vegan card revoked (declared "a carnist") and handed my first fedi ban by the "Real Vegans™" too, for daring to call out their bullshit and ableist militant gatekeeping.

Good luck to them and the toxic cesspit they're so adamant on maintaining, the last thing anyone should be seeking is these people's approval, especially not on being a "good" or "real" vegan, since they make it crystal clear that their top priority is and always will be their own egos. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

This is super weird to me. Back on the Asian ass porn site known as Reddit I could just go into vegan subs and have casual conversations about recipes and cooking techniques. It didn’t matter that I eat meat.

After the API kerfuffle we all celebrated how friendly the internet can be and now you get preemptively banned because you COULD be a bad actor in disguise.

To a point I understand the frustration vegans have to live with. The constant childish trolling can be exhausting, but this is pretty much the worst way to handle this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I (a vegan) got banned from there for finding the love of cows cloying. I said we shouldn't have to pretend cows are cute to convince others not to kill and eat them.

It really isn't a place for even back and forth amongst friends, "no conversation - only agreement"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The vegan Community is actually quite shit. They don't hesitate to delete your comment just because you aren't a vegan, even if you agree with them in certain points.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

There's a word that describes communities like that, echochambers.

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