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[–] [email protected] 82 points 2 years ago

So we've reached "bargaining". Good to know.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 years ago (6 children)

We will do literally anything to avoid changing our ways huh

Next month:

Europe considers sacrificing babies to Satan

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The Simpsons isn't just an animated sitcom. It's a documentary about the future:

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago (2 children)
  1. Reduction of fossil fuels
  2. Literally block out the sun

we’re fucked

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even if we stopped all use of fossil fuels overnight, there’s a lot of ‘baked in’ warming. This isn’t ‘instead of’ it’s ‘in addition to’ when it comes to halting warming.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yep, it takes about 30 years to see the effects, what we're dealing with right now is the 1993 emissions, if we stopped using all fossil fuels right this instant things would continue to get worse well into the 2050s.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Won't help with ocean acidification. Stop using fossil fuels, leave it in the ground.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Will they use diamondium or diamondillium?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Given much of the transition to renewable energy is planned to be solar this may be counterproductive. China is rolling out monumental amounts of solar at the moment, we can't just block the sun since it's part of the solution.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Unless we block the sun with a big solar panel!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

That’s a feature, not a bug. Using geo-engineering will take the pressure off of fossil fuel reduction policies. So why use solar power when you can happily continue burning coal and oil?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Growing evidence that governments/corporations would sooner give up seeing the goddamn sun than get off even a fraction of fossil fuel usage

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Literally what happened in the Matrix.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

This is the world that you know: the world as it was at the end of the 20th century. It exists now only as a part of a neural-interactive simulation that we call the Matrix… We have only bits and pieces of information, but what we know for certain is that at some point in the early 21st century, all of mankind was united in celebration.

We marveled at our own magnificence as we gave birth to AI: a singular consciousness that spawned an entire race of machines. We don’t know who struck first, us or them, but we know that it was us that scorched the sky. At the time, they were dependent on solar power, and it was believed that they would be unable to survive without an energy source as abundant as the sun.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Has no one seen The Matrix/Animatrix?!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

I saw it on Futurama It's all fun and games till a tiny asteroid pachinks the side of it and it burns a hole through Kyoto, Anagram lover's Tokyo.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

This is what I call a "hotfix" .

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Truly the age of social media.

"The Sun is killing us!"

"Just block him, bro."

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

American arrogance at its best.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The EU is also thinking about the same exact measures:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-26/eu-looks-into-blocking-out-the-sun-as-climate-efforts-falter

This is human hubris just like how the Holocene extinction is human hubris, we don't need to pin things on any single national entity.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think it's a combination of hubris and desperation. Hubris because it could still go very wrong and serve us a frozen extinction instead of a boiling one. Desperation because those who acknowledge what's happening know that something probably needs to be done to not only stop but reverse this but the corporations might be more likely to burn it all down protecting their interests than cooperate.

The "easy" solutions will likely lead to war and might not even help anything at this point. The promising technologies still need to be scaled up (also in a way that makes sure we don't overshoot the cooling targets or remove so much CO2 that plants die out).

The more I think of it, the more I like this desperate idea. If it does work too well, we can always just send more rockets to move whatever it is out of the way. Which we should have built and ready to go shortly after the blocker is deployed. Preferably sitting in orbit to minimize the chances of it screwing up if desperately needed.

Hmm sunlight is also a carbon reducer since it drives photosynthesis. But desperate times...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

All I can think of is the last episode of the show Dinosaurs. This is the wax fruit factory and the bunch beetles all over again, except with us as the stars of our own show.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I mean this is just saying the US is open to researching the possibility. They aren't even committing to researching it.

"However, the report also clarifies that no decision has been made to "establish a comprehensive research programme focused on solar radiation modification.""

It's a very prudent decision to study it. We can determine and quantify the risks this way.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Re-engineering our space program towards space manufacturing, mineral extraction, and building permanent residences in space sufficient enough to support the people that would be needed to build and maintain space-based infrastructure like a reflector would be an undertaking I'm not sure humanity currently has the drive for.

Science and futurism YouTuber Isaac Arthur is going to love this. Giant aluminum reflectors are a huge part of future space infrastructure and he is happy to point this out quite often.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yqi0FabHHs&t=1467s

Great the solar roadways of climate change fixes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Isn't this part of the plot of Snowpiercer? At least the movie.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Has no one seen highlander 2?!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wasnt this the start of Highlander 2?

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