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[–] [email protected] 223 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It's amazing what happens when management leave Devs alone to do actual work instead of calling SCRUM bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Goldeneye64 : 1997 JIRA : 2002

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

That might have worked then. Not so sure nowadays. The work ethic was different back then.

Edit: I didn't realize the can of worms I opened up. Hopefully it stirs a little bit of constructive conversation. I realize I have an unpopular opinion here. That's ok. I wish all of you a prosperous and content life. I'm not here to stir up hate. I simply expressed my opinion. I've learned a little about how passionate some of you are about this topic. I never thought I would start such a hornet's nest.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 2 months ago (64 children)

People still create great shit when left to their own devices and properly cared for

Workers in the 90s are no different from any others

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

People have no work ethic these days, they won't even work for the exposure anymore.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What are you talking about? They get plenty of exposure when they start up an OnlyFans on the side to make ends meet! /s

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Small teams being allowed to do what they want can still give good results, but you aren't going to see that at major companies. I almost solely play indie games by micro or solo dev teams.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Work ethic today is fine in places that aren't spreading their people as thin as possible. There's always going to be shitheads but for the most part when you see "poor work ethic" it's because everyone's burnt tf out and just doesn't care any more.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

You could also afford to work on failed projects because houses and healthcare costed two acorns and a peanut.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

You're just wrong. Devs today work far more than those devs did. Devs today work insane hours. It's nearly physically impossible to work more hours than devs do today.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Reminds me of the graphing calculator on Macs. Guy wanted it in system 7 so bad he ignored getting fired, broke into the office, and snuck it into the master build.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Incredible

(beginning of) The Graphing Calculator Story

The Graphing Calculator Story

Copyright © 2004 Ron Avitzur.

Pacific Tech's Graphing Calculator has a long history. I began the work in 1985 while in school. That became Milo, and later became part of FrameMaker. Over the last twenty years, many people have contributed to it. Graphing Calculator 1.0, which Apple bundled with the original PowerPC computers, originated under unique circumstances.

I used to be a contractor for Apple, working on a secret project. Unfortunately, the computer we were building never saw the light of day. The project was so plagued by politics and ego that when the engineers requested technical oversight, our manager hired a psychologist instead. In August 1993, the project was canceled. A year of my work evaporated, my contract ended, and I was unemployed.

I was frustrated by all the wasted effort, so I decided to uncancel my small part of the project. I had been paid to do a job, and I wanted to finish it. My electronic badge still opened Apple's doors, so I just kept showing up.

 

I had many sympathizers. Apple's engineers thought what I was doing was cool. Whenever I gave demos, my colleagues said, "I wish I'd had that when I was in school." Those working on Apple's project to change the microprocessor in its computers to the IBM PowerPC were especially supportive. They thought my software would show off the speed of their new machine. None of them was able to hire me, however, so I worked unofficially, in classic "skunkworks" fashion.

I knew nothing about the PowerPC and had no idea how to modify my software to run on it. One August night, after dinner, two guys showed up to announce that they would camp out in my office until the modification was done. The three of us spent the next six hours editing fifty thousand lines of code. The work was delicate surgery requiring arcane knowledge of the MacOS, the PowerPC, and my own software. It would have taken weeks for any one of us working alone.

At 1:00 a.m., we trekked to an office that had a PowerPC prototype. We looked at each other, took a deep breath, and launched the application. The monitor burst into flames. We calmly carried it outside to avoid setting off smoke detectors, plugged in another monitor, and tried again. The software hadn't caused the fire; the monitor had just chosen that moment to malfunction. The software ran over fifty times faster than it had run on the old microprocessor. We played with it for a while and agreed, "This doesn't suck" (high praise in Apple lingo). We had an impressive demo, but it would take months of hard work to turn it into a product.

 

I asked my friend Greg Robbins to help me. His contract in another division at Apple had just ended, so he told his manager that he would start reporting to me. She didn't ask who I was and let him keep his office and badge. In turn, I told people that I was reporting to him. Since that left no managers in the loop, we had no meetings and could be extremely productive. We worked twelve hours a day, seven days a week. Greg had unlimited energy and a perfectionist's attention to detail. He usually stayed behind closed doors programming all day, while I spent much of my time talking with other engineers. Since I had asked him to help as a personal favor, I had to keep pace with him. Thanks to an uncurtained east-facing window in my bedroom, I woke with the dawn and usually arrived ten minutes before Greg did. He would think I had been working for hours and feel obliged to work late to stay on par. I in turn felt obliged to stay as late as he did. This feedback loop created an ever-increasing spiral of productivity.

People around the Apple campus saw us all the time and assumed we belonged. Few asked who we were or what we were doing.When someone did ask me, I never lied, but relied on the power of corporate apathy. The conversations usually went like this:

Q: Do you work here? A: No. Q: You mean you're a contractor? A: Actually, no. Q: But then who's paying you? A: No one. Q: How do you live? A: I live simply. Q: (Incredulously) What are you doing here?!

See link for remainder

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What a fantastic read.

Dozens of people collaborated spontaneously, motivated by loyalty, friendship, or the love of craftsmanship. We were hackers, creating something for the sheer joy of making it work.

I'm moved by this. I feel that this is what HN used to be maybe 10 years ago. Now its just VC crap and making money as quickly as possible with lock-in market-corning crapware.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I cut my teeth on system 7 (well, 7.5) and this is news to me. Did it get quickly nuked?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nope, it’s been part of Mac OS ever since, partly because math teachers loved how it let kids play with math.

Now it’s called Grapher.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago

I think I found the gap in my knowledge: it looks like it only shipped with PPC versions. I had a 68k Performa as a teenager. By the time I got a PPC box it was well into system 8's lifespan and I had stopped opening every little thing, probably due to internet providing those dopamine hits lol.

Thank you, TIL!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

http://www.pacifict.com/story/

For anyone wanting a read.

"Broke in" is a bit of an exaggeration. Their cards simply weren't turned off and they managed to fake it until the project was finished.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So devs used to have extra time just to add multiplayer. My how times change.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Now every game has to be a multiplayer live service and the campaign/storymode is an afterthought for AAA

Not to mention time crunch for every AAA project

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago (11 children)

I bought STALKER 2, a masterpiece of post apocalyptic fiction and storytelling.

I was running the game on launch, an old friend calls me up on Discord, and says:

"So how is it?"

I say: "I don't know yet, I just got to the first town past the tutorial."

He says: "No, I mean the multiplayer."

I lost the ability to think for a good 30-60 seconds trying to formulate the right string of words to respond with, from the psychic damage he'd inflicted with the presumption that it was a live service multiplayer game.

I think capitalism has weaponized brain rot into profits. As long as people open their wallets and not their brains, things will continue as planned. We're literally paying for it.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's funny seeing interviews with the devs and they basically go "We had no idea what we were doing with the N64. How did this succeed?"

Then you find out about stuff like the fully functional ZX Spectrum Emulator in the game and begin wondering too.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I never could get a hang of using the N64 controller for FPS. Doubly so when you're facing Oddball as an opponent.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Nobody is allowed to pick Oddjob! House rules in every house I’ve played in.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

My house rules don't have an explicit rule - go ahead and pick Oddjob - but know we will loudly judge you and team up to ensure that mistake doesn't happen again.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I don't think I'd like it now, but back before two-thumbstick FPS games existed, I didn't even question it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (3 children)

There was a controller layout for Goldeneye and Perfect Dark where you used two N64 controllers, so you had two analog sticks and two Z buttons. It was extremely awkward to use A or B to cycle through weapons or open doors because of the button placement, but Goldeneye was actually the first two-thumbstick FPS game I played.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago

So many great memories playing GoldenEye on the rec room big screen TV in my dorm in college in '97 and '98.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

Pulling Mountain Dew and dorito fueled all nighters with my friends playing this game are such core memories.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

The ultimate pain: License to kill. Slappers only. Oddjob.

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