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[–] [email protected] 135 points 2 months ago (12 children)

I wasn't going to play a hero shooter anyway, but fuck this. I just want to go back to arena shooters, server browsers and no stat tracking.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Arena Shooters have tried and tried to recapture the magic but it's just long gone. As soon as Overwatch showed up, the game had changed. Then Quake itself just had to do the same thing with Champions and look where that got them. Then Unreal Tournament turned into Fortnite and that was the last nail in the coffin.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I feel like if any genre changes shooters forever, it was Battle Royales. They exploded in popularity after Fortnite and then when the market was oversaturated, AAA devs switched to "the next big thing" which happened to be hero shooters. But I really can't blame a game or genre for that.

I think the boardrooms at AAA studios changed the game forever by forcing devs to chase that "next big thing" over originality.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Shame on you for saying Fortnite popularized Battle Royals. Player Unknown's Battlegrounds is the one that did it. Hell, before that, Fortnite was a zombie survival game and only added Battle Royal as an alternative mode after the fact

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I have over a hundred hours in PUBG so I'm not claiming Fortnite invented the genre but you can't deny that Fortnite isn't the game that made it blow up.

PUBG had no marketability. Gritty gameplay, toxic community, aimed at adults, and an awful name. It was also $30 and PC-only until after Fortnite blew up.

Fortnite was bright and silly and on every platform and F R E E.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Yup. The first of its kind was the mod for arma 2 and 3. The popularity of that mod led to H1Z1 which also involved player unknown in its BR development.

Only after that did Fortnite come out and capitalize on the existing BR hype that player unknown manifested.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

I'll just stick to my single player, retro revival titles.

I certainly never went to lan parties for the company anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I too yearn for the Quake 3 days.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

They also seem to be following CCP censorship rules. Yay.

Edit: What are the downvotes for, its objectively correct.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/marvel-rivals-chinese-censorship-controversy

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Being punished for leaving bot matches is the only issue I'd have with this.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago

The article says that you do indeed get punished for leaving.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The only other game I know of that penalizes you simlarly is Rocket League, they penalize you for leaving casual matches.

I just don't understand the logic. They take Win-Loss records way too seriously.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 months ago

If there are other human players in the match, leaving sucks for them, so in that regards I get it.

If all the other players are bots... who cares? Penalizing for hurting bot-feelings is silly.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It’s nothing to do with W/L it’s because it fucks your team mates (and essentially everyone else, who now are devoid of a proper match) in RL. One of the many reasons I never stuck by RL was other players. People would so frequently just trash talk you when you’re learning and then fuck off out of the match, leaving you to get rolled by two players. These players would frequently be worse too. At least if you get rolled with a full team, you’ll probably learn something.

RL and games with low team player counts I 100% understand it for. It’s a punishment for selfish players. In a match with bots less so but I guess if you’re doing bad enough to be matched with bots they probably want to to stay and learn to play.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

The Rocket League community united around the idea that forcing everyone to watch every single replay makes them more tilted, so that's what they're going to do. The toxicity of that community is off the charts, up there with the worst like League of Legends. The part that drives me nuts is that League of Legends has bad game design that is partially responsible for the toxicity; what is Rocket League's excuse?

I never saw toxicity at the community scale before Rocket League. Before that it was always individual, even in games like Rust, EVE Online, World of Tanks... Rocket League is special somehow.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Clearly having the word "league" in the name generates toxicity.

Nah, but the game got so much worse after it went free to play. I'll never forgive Epic.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Is this problem? Think it make sense and way to learn more mechanics of game.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

I'm conflicted with this. But it's a problem because the game is not clear about it and you can't choose, the game just put 4 people + 2 bots against 6 bots.

I "tried" to get a bot match yesterday after getting 2 loses in a row, playing with things that I normally don't play and not caring too much with the objective. Took 5 loses in a row to get 1 bot match.

For a person to get a lot of bot matches they need a lot of loses, at that point the person is probably better playing against bot to improve a little bit. But I think the game should suggest to the player to do that instead of forcing and hiding that they are playing against bots.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Obfuscation. Corporate figures telling or giving people the option will hurt their feelings so they'll stop playing. A player who quits is no longer a tier two type with the potential to spend money, so they'll only do this if it becomes a PR nightmare that affects their bottom line.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yep, they don't care if the player is improving, they just want people to not tilt and quit the game.

And I don't think this will be a PR nightmare, played a lot of the game, mostly quick matches and got 1 bot match, not only some people will not get a bot match easily but some people will not even notice.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If I sign up for a match expecting to play against players and get matched with bots I would be upset.

Like most games have options like vs bots or vs players. I think it's a bit ridiculous to not have even that basic control over your game experience. Regardless if you just get crushed.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Statistically, people are more upset when they get crushed by other humans.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

It’s a problem if you think you’re learning techniques for killing humans but in reality you’re learning tricks to kill AI. There is already a bot match option if people want to learn with no pressure.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

It gives people a false sense of being good even if that day was simply not their day. Bot match alone is fine, and it's relaxing in a way, but hiding the fact that they're not fighting against real players is manipulative.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think I would actually try the game out if you could purposefully select to play against bots.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Then try it, because you can do exactly that.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 months ago (9 children)

What people are missing in the comments is that you can choose to play a bot match if that's what you want. But you CAN'T sign up to play against people and guarantee that that's what you'll be doing. And they are not transparent about it.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago

That and also penalizing you for disconnecting from Bot matches is wild

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you queue competitve you're guaranteed human players. And no Crossplay. Not the best solution, but yea...

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's rather common Knowledge that NetEase does this exact thing in Narala: Bladepoint, so yeah, not surprising, at all.

I also vaguely remember this being a thing in Pokemon: Unite, not sure if that's also a NetEase game.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Pokémon Unite does it sometimes after lose streaks. But not always! It's common in casual modes but much less common in ranked.

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[–] 21Cabbage 25 points 2 months ago (4 children)

That's unsurprising, I don't bother with multiplayer games at all because always getting stomped so bad you don't even learn how to fucking play isn't worth the time. One assumes they have to come up with some sort of strategy to keep players like me on a pvp only game.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Last time I played Fortnite it was also like this. It was bots + other weak players like you. It felt quite okay, early in the match you got some easy bot kills and later you had some challenge dealing with actual players of your skill level.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hell I'm okay with that. I don't play with any of you people anyway

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I'm fine with this. There are some braindead or brand new players out there who should 100% be confined to the kiddie pool until they learn the basic mechanics.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Yeah except it doesn't work like that. If you get 2 losses in a row or even 2 losses separated by a win, it'll dump you in the kiddie pool, doesn't matter how much playtime you have. If I get SVP and it still puts me into a bot match, that's bad design.

It seems to be a way to grant the player an easy win so you don't tilt and quit. But the ruse was way too easy to see through.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i swear pokémon duel would do the opposite of this. you’d get on a win streak and then suddenly a player with a very generic name and the EXACT counters to your deck fucken SWEEPS your ass with seemingly psychic precision. you could even trick it by switching to a deck with no synergy and just playing like a psycho whenever you got ~5 wins in a row.

i miss that game so much. taken before it’s time o7

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Makes sense why the game feels soo easy, And i like it this way.

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[–] zipzoopaboop 7 points 2 months ago

Standard mobile practice from a mobile publisher

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I heard Sue Storm's ass is great and modeled after a model with a great ass

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This feels like a bandaid on a gunshot wound.

The problem is that every game has a losing team, and the players are supposed to feel bad no matter how well they performed. "Defeat" or "Loss" messages, sad music, sinking stats, public match record showing off your failure; there's punishment baked into this model of game.

Trying to keep players by throwing them easy wins is an insult. You're the game developer that created this "winner/loser" model to begin with. Now you're trying to make me feel better with this bullshit? You're the one that caused the pain to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I figured it was to get some practice rather than a morale boost.

Like the article says, it does mess with stats but it is only for Quick Play rather than ranked though.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

play stupid games win stupid prizes

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

PCGamer running FUD ads for ActiBlizz, nothing new. Move along.

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