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[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 months ago (2 children)

instagram/pinterest-ish chinese app that was promoted on american tiktok as a possible alternative after ban. it has actual chinese users and they weren't impressed when american transplants wanted everyone to speak english

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I don't condone this manner of speech with people. However...

Literal lols. 🤣

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

it's refreshing to see racism untempered by white guilt.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I mean I wouldn't say racism. To a more conservative society (which China is), this literally is what it feels like looking at Western society. Source: Am from another conservative society, for better or worse I know exactly what she's talking about.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Okay. Since you’re from another country, you’ve seen that reputations aren’t always accurate. You’re halfway there. She’s still making a broad, insulting generalization about an entire race. That’s pretty much the textbook definition of racism.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Is it a generalization if it's something that (under different terms) is considered normal or even celebrated in the target culture? What I'm trying to say is that this is mostly attributable to different in the Overton window between the two cultures at hand; her idea of Americans being "slutty and perverted" is probably very close to what Americans themselves call sexual liberation and actively celebrate as an ideal of a free and tolerant society. I don't know much about China so to use a (to me) more familiar example, if someone said "Muslims are prudes" I wouldn't say "no you're racist"; I'd say "yes and we don't consider that a bad thing". Of course I can't enter the mind of this person so I can't tell you what exactly she intended or thought when she posted the quote in the parent comment, but I'd bet it's something along the lines of "I've seen the shit y'all post and I don't want that here" and whether or not you agree with that evaluation aside I wouldn't call it racism.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

I think it’s racism anyway, but now that you’ve explained your reasoning more thoroughly, I see your point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

racism is a form of generalization. generalization is not considered normal. it's only rarely okay in jokes. stuff like sexism is also a form of generalization, for example. none of this is okay

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Only white can be racist amiright

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

s/racism/jingoism/g

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

What if their mother truly was a slut and she’s just speaking truth?

We already know she’s had unprotected sex.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Isn’t this a screenshot from Twitter/X?! So - probably a bot.

I’m not American, but downloaded RedNote (Little Red Book) to see what the fuss was about and it’s been a charming experience. I’m particularly loving the cooking videos!

Very very interesting to see normal Americans and normal Chinese people have discussions together on a social media app. And for them to show each other “slice of life” videos. Probably the first time that this has ever happened?

Utterly hilarious situation, tbh.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I did too, but charming was not how I would have described my experience. But interesting that was your take. My experience was confusion and a lot of Chinese women in poses or outfits that were clearly trying to titillate, and then 90% of everything was just images, and no easy way to move between things. I gave it an honest try, but if rather do democratic socialism locally than agree to be a communist in a ToS

Example from me opening the app right now and getting the default feed:

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Whoa! No that’s not what I got at all! And if you click into what looks like a still image you’re suddenly in a feed of videos. Who knows what their UX is doing.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Now that tiktok may be banned in the US a lot of people are moving to the next Chinese social network.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

If they can’t use one service that the Chinese government can use to spy on you then they’re going to use another service that the Chinese government can use to spy on you .

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

And they're using those instead of the services that US corporations can use to spy on you

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago

You've gotten a few answers already that explain what it is, but a lot of the discussion misses the "why" of the situation. There's a strong anti-US government part to the whole situation that basically says "if you're going to ban tiktok in the US because you're afraid of China getting our data/controlling the algorithm then we'll just join a social media site whose servers are actually in China!" It's a big FU to the government.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Apparently it's a Chinese TikTok alternative

Rednote

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

You know this human instinct, when if told we can't have The Thing, we start wanting it even more?

The American government told its kids that they can't have The Thing, the thing in this case being tiktok (a Chinese-run social media app)

So they found out about an even MORE Chinese social media app (tiktok was openly courting the west, had an English language app etc, while Rednote is made by the chinese for the Chinese and doesn't even have a client in English) and went there, which slightly miffed the Chinese userbase suddenly having to deal with all those weirdoes who wanted them to stop speaking mandarin and start speaking english.

It's just a trend. People are trying to ascribe deep meanings to it because conspiracy thought is entertaining, but really, it's just a bunch of people following what's trendy, and either way for any eagle burgers pearl clutching about the red menace, Rednote is covered in the ban because it is a blanket ban on any "apps run by a foreign adversary". You'll be safe behind the great american firewall soon.

Ofc, I doubt it'll be enforced for things like temu and wish.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

What I don't understand is why RedNote?

Has it been pushed and advertised by TikTok?

There are countless other established platforms. Not sure why.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Its Chinese controlled and the US government dislikes the Chinese state. That's pretty much it. Its pure spite for the US government.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

It’s not like China allows Facebook, so really it’s just a very delayed tit for tat response.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It has indeed been pushed and advertised by TikTok. Or at least, within TikTok.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

it's been pushed on lemmy as well, but maybe indirectly. nobody of the people who push it seems to know why tiktok really gets banned or they are obfuscating it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

tiktok has(d) developed into a hivemind where tens of millions of people (or more?) can be a part of a discussion. This made it easy for trends to spread rapidly, such as deciding where to migrate with the impending tiktok ban. From my own experience on tiktok, the last few weeks there was much discussion of where to go, and it appears the hivemind settled on rednote.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

To specially tell the government "fuck you" it was sought after because of it also being a Chinese app and it's more of a deep state kind of app really regulated by the government. It's name comes from some red notebook that dude running the country is often seen carrying.

Tiktok itself isn't pushing it the creators are. Plenty of them getting banned though as the rules are strict.

Anything owned by major companies such as meta people don't wanna be apart of. What they claim tiktok is doing they are doing worse

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

It's chinese instagram and tiktok started advertising it heavily recently so a bunch of idiots fell for it and switched to rednote. it is even worse than tiktok.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

It's TikTok for people stupid enough to like short form and vertical videos but also angry that the government banned TikTok and who also hate the other alternative apps. Despite the number of these specific parameters, it's a horrifyingly large demographic.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Rednote is a Instagram like social media application. Tiktokers have been flocking to it in such numbers that it's topping multiple app stores. Typically it is used by Chinese diaspora and mainland Chinese people to communicate but Americans are joining the app to protest the banning of tiktok.

Its causing a few issues for the social ecology of the app and the Chinese state is censoring and fencing off some of the content there as a result.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the Chinese state is censoring and fencing off some of the content there as a result. Source?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Just reports from longtime Redbook users saying the influx has increased scrutiny on them. No hard data as of yet since that's kind of impossible to get.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Basically, chinese Instagram, that a lot of people are joining in protest to the incoming TikTok ban.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Its one of the few platforms where you can be anti Zionist and not being cancelled.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

The new thing the kids flocked to because the adults found their old thing and started to join/ regulate it.