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I started to notice some people posting NYT, Bloomberg or other websites with hard paywalls, that leads to people in the comments that are unable to read the article to discuess the headline without any analysis and some times spreading misinformation, which cannot be countered by the article, due to the paywall.

Which bring me to this: Why does no one thought about blocking hard paywalled articles for the sake of quality of discussion?

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Because it is the original data source which can be used to find non paywall archives using tools such as https://archive.ph/

I think it's always good practice to link the original source.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Also nyt paywall can be easily bypassed with a ublock filter list

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why not block both as orginal links?

No paywalls or Archive links.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

If you block data sources because you fear misinformation, then you also can't discuss the misinformation/propaganda you disprove of. If you don't allow that information to be posted, it is still being read by many many people that now have less chances of being informed about it being misinformation.

I don't think limiting information is ever a good solution

Also, I agree with your reply on beehaw.

You can post third party source that discuess the orginal article and that way you can gurantee accessibility and almost full info.

https://infosec.pub/comment/14276780

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The ad-supported internet is awful, and paywalls are sort of the only sane alternative. It’s how news has worked for centuries and we need to go back.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

we need to go back

Right...

me secretly committing "piracy" by bypassing the paywall

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~(Paying~ ~for~ ~news,~ ~thats~ ~written~ ~by~ ~a~ ~corporation?~ ~In~ ~this~ ~economy?)~

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Because journalism costs money, and journalists have bills to pay. If you don't want to pay money for news, some billionaire will happily pay it for you: https://youtu.be/_fHfgU8oMSo

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Thank you. It really bothers me that there are so many people who expect journalism to fall from trees, or even that they're somehow owed it.

The situation for the last 20 years - the internet free-for-all with plunging ad revenues and spotty quality - is a historic anomaly. Before that it was normal to pay for journalism, and masses of people did. Seems we're slowly moving back to that model and it's not a moment too soon.

That said, there have always been free sources of non-billionaire-controlled news in the form of state broadcasters like PBS, BBC, CBC. In mainland Europe there are several that publish in English, including DW, France24, Der Spiegel. They have their biases, of course, but they employ professional journalists who take their jobs seriously. And there are more and more nonprofit publishers too: ProPublica and The Guardian spring to mind but there are a ton of specialist outlets too, financed by readers or philanthropic foundations.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Are you suggesting that Propublica and The Guardian for example to have a hard paywalls?

Paywalls literally exist to support billionaires and their media empires.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Paywalls literally exist to support billionaires and their media empires.

Seriously? You may want to consider widening your news source, maybe.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I follow more than 300 news sources by RSS (all without paywalls), how wide you want me to go?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I follow more than 300 news sources by RSS (all without paywalls), how wide you want me to go?

I did not mean 'widen' in that sense—reading and being informed is not about the quantity of news one can swallow in a day, you know—but with the idea of reading different sources.

Also, may I ask how can you be reading three fucking hundred news sources regularly (not daily, obviously) with any sort of attention?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why is that the problem of online discussion spaces? News sites can paywall their content, but that doesn't mean anyone else has to allow paywalled links.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (8 children)

It doesn't. Doesn't mean anyone has to allow anything besides fox news either.

Just pointing out that journalism costs money and certain stories are very expensive to research and cover. As many things in life, you get what you pay for.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's up to the specific community on that specific instance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I had never seen a single community that apply that. There might be a one that I did not notice, but otherwise there is not a single community that has any rules about this.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

FYI: Firefox has several plugins that can bypass paywalls. I haven't encountered a link that hasn't worked with the one I got ("Bypass Paywalls Clean").

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

But they are not accessible to smart phone users.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's not true. I am using BPC on Fennec, Android.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

What can the people who use Chrome or Firefox from the Play Store do to get it? They can't.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I am pretty sure you can install BPC from file using both these alternatives.

Edit: Here is how.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I only use the plugin on the mobile version.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Which bring me to this: Why does no one thought about blocking hard paywalled articles for the sake of quality of discussion?

Why block (aka, censor) a link?

  1. People are free to subscribe if they want to, they at least get a link to the source.
  2. People can often find workarounds if they can't/refuse to pay but they would still need the link to know what exact ref they should search for.
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I prefer not to link to those, but I still think it's important to link to the original source. Sometimes they're the first to post about it and there's not much way around it (until someone posts a link to an archive version that bypass the paywall, or someone provides an NYT gifted link, etc). So it's either that or we lose the potential for discussion.

There's a community for gifted link articles to NYT right there: [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A paywall for journalism is just as legitimate as a paywall for any other kind of product or service that costs money to produce.

Suggested compromise: keep the original link (this helps the publisher) and include a relevant excerpt from the paywalled article - not the whole article, but enough to allow an informed discussion on it. Encourage readers to subscribe if they can afford it. Most publishers will be happy with that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Sure but we don't link to paywalled services do we.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Each community has it's own rules.

Many of us have access to pay walled media, so why block it for everyone?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Reverse the question, many of us don't have access to pay walled media, so why post it?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

As it's been pointed out several times in this thread, there are ways around that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Not posting pay walled content Ignore it for everyone, even people having access to it

Posting it people without access can still follow the discussion, and some are quite important news

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

That's a decision to be made by mods for their own communities.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lemmy is not a monolith, quite the opposite in fact.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Lemmy is a community of communities, and is all the better for it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

nothing at all is universally "blocked on Lemmy", different instances + communities set rules that apply there, that is kinda the point of it all...

If you think this is a good idea for a specific community, ask its moderators to create and enforce a rule for this, or create a community of your own where you can set any rules you like.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Many of the articles from those platforms are useless noise, but I do still occasionally want to read something that's posted. When that happens, I just F12 and bypass the paywall, or look for the comment that has the article text, from someone else who has already done that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

or go to archive.ph and check to see if they have the de-paywalled version

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Pay walls are like ads. They are paid for by the rich and the stupid. Just archive.is it. Or use the browser extension that bypasses pay walls. Or read the summary provided by my bot [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's what I've been doing for a while, but I've been seeing more pages getting wise to it, and not letting me in after blocking JavaScript.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Agreed. Mods should be straight up removing posts from people who post pay walled links. I might go as far as to say they should even be banned. Absolute zero tolerance with this bullshit.

Exit: judging from the comments it appears people like paywalled content? Rip.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

It isn't that people like paywalled content, it is that people don't like blanket rules for a decentralized system like the fediverse.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I don't want moderators to have that power. I do think that users should be able to block posts that link to domains.

filteReddit, a component of Reddit Enhancement Suite, had domain blocks. I'm eagerly awaiting an equivalent to disenshittify Lemmy of paywalled bullshit.

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