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[–] [email protected] 112 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I enjoy gardening.

Trump’s Ukraine betrayal will have terrible consequences.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I AM THE DWEAD PIWATE WOBERTS, AND TWUMP'S BETWAYAL OF UKRAINE WILL HAVE TEWWIBLE CONSEQUENCES

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Wewease Wodewick!

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 month ago

I am a random person on the internet

Trump’s Ukraine betrayal will have terrible consequences.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Everything he does will have terrible consequences.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

He himself is a walking talking terrible consequence.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Not for him, though. It sucks that the kings of today - and Trump, at this point, can definitely be referred to as such - will probably not face any consequences for their actions. Throughout history, it has always taken a few generations for their empires to come crashing down.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Gaddafi, Diem, Batista, Arafat, Noriega, Suharto, Hussein, Mubarak. You could open a fucking museum of leaders who made the mistake of trusting the US.

Like Kissinger said: to be an enemy of America is dangerous but to be America's friend is fatal.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As an American, I'm dying to see trump face the consequences of his actions, but not at the expense of Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I hate to be the bear with bad news but if he hasn't faced any yet I am struggling to see it happening at all.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The government isn't going to make him face consequences.
The justice system isn't going to make him face consequences.

The only people left to do it are the people of the United States. And I haven't seen any of them doing anything.

At this point he isn't going to face any consequences.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

He won’t. Ever.

The best we can hope for is his shit diet to catch up with him quickly and for JD fucking Vance to be more sane.

We’re fucked.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Opinion: I'm a IT worker, and trade unionist. USA interference in Ukraine's internal affairs has had terrible consequences.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

since when is war an internal affair?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Before or since Trumputin?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

At least from 2014: the maidans revolution and the subsequent civil war between the new government and the republics of Donetsk and Luhansk.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

A historical clarification - Ukrainians don't like it being called a "civil war", as it truly wasn't.

The "republics" were started by Igor Girkin, a highly productive employee of the GRU, now imprisoned for incessant criticism of Putin over "not invading Ukraine properly enough". He had the assistance of countless colleagues, of course.

At some point, the flow of support from Russia to the "republics" allowed even a civilian to calculate how many people were involved. In a court case over corruption, the Kirov region's court in Russia carelessly published what amount of military food rations were delivered bi-weekly. Unless I recall incorrectly, the calculation indicated presence of approximately 30 000 men. The court even clearly called them units of the RF military. An archived copy of the text remains, the original publication was taken down of course.

That's why people object to calling it "civil war" - it was a low-intensity war between states, interleaved by occasionally adhering to some ceasefire or keeping heavy weaponry far from the front. It was fought between Russian troops in control of Donetsk and Lugansk, and Ukrainian troops.

Now as for US interference: Obama tried getting Putin to back off, but was ineffectual. He enacted sanctions (about which Navalny once noted that they were close to a joke), but also left the oil tap open, and the resulting decrease in revenue somewhat influenced Putin. Obama also started military assistance to Ukraine, which was reforming its armed forces at very high pace. Humanitarian aid to displaced people was also offered, and I'm sure that many more things happened.

Trump continued the military aid, but tried blackmailing Zelensky once by blocking it. He demanded that Zelensky must have Biden's son investigated. Zelensky didn't do that, but a US whistleblower informed the public of the occurrence and Trump got his first impeachment proceedings as a result. As we know, he wasn't impeached. His grudge against Ukraine likely originates from this incident - Zelensky not bending to his will, and the Ukraine scandal blowing up in his face. Humanitarian and developent assistance continued to be offered.

Biden mostly continued the assistance programmes from his predecessors. But in late 2021, when intelligence analysis started pointing towards an imminent invasion, he engaged in diplomacy to make Ukraine aware of the level of the threat (they didn't believe it at first - they were sure that Putin was a criminal, but didn't consider him detached from reality) and tried to deter Russia from invading. He was ineffectual at that. After the invasion, he offered considerable military assistance, which helped Ukraine stand its ground, and probably made a difference. There might be no more Ukraine without timely assistance from the Biden administration. I would not say that Biden's assistance has "terrible consequences". Without his assistance, we'd have really terrible consequences.

A war is terrible. But the defending side losing a war and an agressor winning (followed by repressions against the civlian population, and subverting the resources of a country to serve another conquest), that is multiple times more terrible - it can be the start of a chain of invasions.

But Biden didn't do everything that could have been done.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

His grudge against Ukraine likely originates from this incident - Zelensky not bending to his will, and the Ukraine scandal blowing up in his face.

Maybe but more so, he’s doing what Putin tells him to.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Trump got his first impeachment proceedings as a result. As we know, he wasn't impeached.

Small point of clarification: he was impeached, but the Senate refused to remove him from office.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Most normal, well adjusted, and definitely not propagandized .ml user take

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

You clearly have the ability to read. How are you still so misinformed?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Implying that the US was trustworthy in any way lol. Ukraine should have learned from the Kurds.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

The Kurds were also betrayed by 45 / 47. As were the Afghan people. It's almost like he's helping our adversaries with his foreign policy. Nooo, surely this is fine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wait! He's working out a deal with Congo to prevent the 48h pandemic from reaching the US!.... Here we go! All flights to be canceled! C'mon baby!

This just in, Trump demand gold, diamonds and really hot virgins from Congo. In exchange the virus came from Gina bigly. And large black plastic bags, which is not racist by the way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

If you haven't heard, a bunch of kids in Congo ate bats (WTF man!) And then died within 48hr of getting sick. Not a pandemic, doesn't transmit thru the air, go back to sleep.