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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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She said she was doing laundry at a laundromat near the Save A Lot with her father, Joseph Lee, when his arms and legs began to cramp up from an infection. He walked a couple of doors down into the Save A Lot grocery store to get some bananas because potassium would help relieve the cramping, she said.

She said he told her that he picked up four bananas, one of which he ate on the way to the register, and that he told the cashier that he needed to pay for four bananas even though she scanned only three. Anjelica Lee said her father told her he was followed closely while he was shopping by a white female employee, who, she said, accused him of stealing the banana he ate.

He told the woman that he had not stolen anything and that he had paid for four bananas, but she followed him outside and continued to falsely accuse him of stealing, Anjelica Lee said her father told her. When she noticed the commotion, she said, she confronted the woman.

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[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fuck, for a damn banana for which he paid.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Have you considered he's black though?

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

My children have eaten fruit while we shop. No one beat them to a pulp over it. This is despicable

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Were they brownish though?

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 4 points 1 month ago

Ding ding ding

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

good. always remember to be white in public.

[–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I have to play devil's advocate: How, unless they're watching you constantly on a monitor, would they know your kid ate the fruit while walking around? In theory couldn't your kid eat the fruit and leave the peel on a shelf somewhere before going to checkout?

I'm mainly saying this because I frown every time I see something that wasn't paid for being eaten in the store, and as a former retail worker I've found empty banana peels on shelves. I'm not saying that happened in this case but going "trust me bruh" that everyone eating fruit in the store is going to pay for it is asking for shrinkage.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And that's worth beating a guy over? Because that's what this story is about.

[–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That may be what the story is about, but my point was still made regarding food being eaten before being paid for.

I did not advocate for the beating of the man, I simply said eating something before it's paid for is improper (IMO) and I could see why someone could think they didn't pay.

Once proof was provided that should have been the end of it, so I agree with the outrage expressed in the article about the treatment of the man.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Honestly my point wasn't really saying you think a dude should be beaten over a banana. I don't think there are a lot of folks who actually believe that, I was just talking shit for effect. I do think your original comment was missing the forest for the trees.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Remember, if you see someone stealing food, no you didn’t.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have you ever been to a restaurant? You eat before you pay.

[–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Completely different than going to a grocery store. Not even comparable.

[–] Pandemanium@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Most grocery stores in my area have a basket of free fruit for kids to eat while in the store. Because why not, when a banana costs all of 20 cents. It is absolutely crazy to physically assault someone over that amount.

[–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Never said the man should be beaten.

[–] Sanguine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You frown over this? Who gives a shit about shrink. The people who own these supermarkets can afford to give a bushel of bananas to every customer for every visit and still be swimming in money.

Devil's advocacy has its place, this isn't one of them. A man has been hospitalized over a fucking banana.

[–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Just my opinion, you don't have to like it

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

Good, because no one does

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

You know what they say, opinions are like butts..

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

You really HAVE to play the devils advocate? Are you sure? Are you sure you HAVE to?

Because no one found this insightful or valuable. No one. So you HAVE to? Really?

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Honestly I didn't get father than "devil's advocate." Fuck you.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I frown at single pieces of fruit being eaten before being paid for and I firmly believe people who eat them should be beaten severely!

Dude, do you even hear yourself right now?

[–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Never said I condone beating the guy.

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Unless you 100% for sure know a person intentionally left a mess of used merchandise, then there's no need to escalate. Even then, you simply call them out for it and ban them from the store.

The lady was clearly unhinged and was taking it out on this guy.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Eight cops for a lady with a metal bat and an old man that "stole a banana"? Seems a bit much for that kind of call.

[–] zipzoopaboop 14 points 1 month ago

But you've got to understand: he's black!

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

I’m sure they feared for their lives

~/s~

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm going to need a complete criminal background on both them before I can decide if I need to find some other excuse for why the cops did nothing wrong here.

[–] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hopefully an ugly picture surfaces that helps you!

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

"The black man once did a drug, therefore I will rationalize the extra judicial killing" - the gop

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

These ad hominem attacks are quite ironic given the topic

[–] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Disregard. Wasn't paying attention to the thread I was responding to.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Goddamn these fucking people. Okay you fucking shit for guts who think you might be a hero but may just be a motherfucking cunt Karen: ask yourself when you want to be a bitch - is it ok if gestapo break this fucking person's body or kill them? Because that's the likelihood you're fucking manifesting every single time. Scared stupid counts.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago

Dont give Karen a gun

[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

go take away this dumb broad's ability to speak too. this knee jerk shit is no better than swatting, results are the same regardless of intent

people who are waiting to sic police on other groups should get dealt with by those they fear

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 8 points 1 month ago

Didn't even need to see the thumbnail to guess he wasn't white.

[–] ShyCake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

I wanted to make a Monty Python or a "banana on the wall" joke, but this just too sickening

[–] nomoredrama@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

She shouldn't have brandished a weapon (the bat) She had a great case of discrimination. She should have called the police herself, because the store worker was threatening her dad.

[–] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

I remember hearing about this when it happened. Before I read the article I thought it was another instance of the same thing! Truly awful.