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Really appreciate this channel's effort on trying to dispel doomism.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Doomism sure is bad. It’s even worse than us emitting the most co2 ever last year. Stay positive folks!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is disingenuous. To lower atmospheric co2 we need to actively absorb co2 out from the atmosphere while the output of co2 is lower than the absorption. So to even see a progress on this chart we need to first achieve net zero.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I think I need to politely disagree with you on this point.

If co2 emissions were slowing at a meaningful rate, we should be able to see the upward trajectory start leveling off. What we DO see is almost no change in the trajectory of the chart, indicating that current carbon emitters haven't cut back enough to matter, if at all.

I'm not suggesting that no changes on that line means no "progress", but one could argue that its not meaningful progress if we aren't seeing any changes in that trend.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, we would see an infection point on this chat if we were to make progress, even if we're not at net zero. The chart would at least be increasing at a decreasing rate, as opposed to the current trajectory increasing at a steady or even increasing rate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Actually, since 2020 the curve looks linear rather than exponential, which does match what he says on the video that we might have stopped increasing emissions year over year. Obviously this is not enough, but it is progress.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Probably just due to covid lockdowns. Emissions have been steadily increasing since

https://www.statista.com/statistics/276629/global-co2-emissions/

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Oh great, instead of +4C we're on track for +3.4C

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Keep doing sarcasm like that and we will see +3.4°C turn into +3.8°C.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If we suddenly decide to stop spewing record amounts of greenhouse gases then we might have a small chance... But that needs to be a quick decline which we have simply not seen.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's not happening. We fly more planes than ever, and we send more container ships around the world than ever. Besides those, CO2 is just one greenhouse gas. Methane is another major contributor to the greenhouse effect.

Whether we prevent further warming is even kind of a moot point now. We've already got a certain

Then there's loss of ice cover, which creates a feedback loop of further absorption of sunlight (heat).

We're already living in the world created by climate change, and it's just getting started. It's clear that our built environment is not prepared for it at all. Who knew that some of the earliest climate refugees in the US would be homeowners who couldn't get insurance?

The video above gives false hope. With extreme and increasingly unpredictable weather, it's only a matter of time until we get a major crop failure. How many of those can the system absorb?

Don't forget, all the stuff in the video is being implemented basically to prolong the happy motoring lifestyle. That's awful for the environment even if it's EVs

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well fuck, might as well give up then, eh? You evidently have...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I would suggest you listen to the Nate Hagens Podcast. "What is to be done" is pretty much the topic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The video does not give false hope. There is hope. We won't escape disaster, but we have the power to reduce the magnitude of the disaster. Giving up is what's deniers do to justify not changing anything, and is a very dangerous stance to take.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You may take some solace from the Great Simplification with Nate Hagens

He's focused on building the world that comes next

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I'll take a look, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

So we'll have green energy but capitalism will be as strong as ever. A solar dystopia. At least there will be a future for us to be shadowrunners in.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Just watched this video myself last night. Really good. His other video on positive tipping points is worth a watch to.