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[–] [email protected] 285 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

If Russia withdrew their troops, there would be peace immediately.

If Ukraine withdrew their troops, Ukraine would be no more - and there’s no indication Russia would stop there.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Lots of LLM bots today. We may need to start verifying accounts :/

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been noticing this a lot. There's a lot more Russian support in all my apps. I really think there's a concerted effort that is now being fully enabled by our current administration.

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[–] [email protected] 139 points 2 weeks ago (56 children)

Fool me once, shame on me, fool me 20 times and I should sign away half my country's mineral wealth for no guarantees and no gains...

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If somebody fools you twenty times they are (best case scenario) literally Loki.

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 2 weeks ago (61 children)

What is there to negotiate? If all the russians leave ukraine, ukranians will probably stop shooting them...

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

War in Donbas

Ukraine, Russia, the DPR and LPR signed a ceasefire agreement, the Minsk Protocol, in September 2014.[40] Ceasefire breaches became rife, 29 in all,[41] and heavy fighting resumed in January 2015, during which the separatists captured Donetsk Airport. A new ceasefire, Minsk II, was agreed on 12 February 2015. Immediately after, separatists renewed their offensive on Debaltseve and forced Ukraine's military to withdraw.[42] Skirmishes continued but the front line did not change. Both sides fortified their position by building networks of trenches, bunkers and tunnels, resulting in static trench warfare.[43][44] Stalemate led to the war being called a "frozen conflict",[45] but Donbas remained a war zone, with dozens killed monthly.[46] In 2017, on average a Ukrainian soldier died every three days,[47] with an estimated 40,000 separatist and 6,000 Russian troops in the region.[48][49] By the end of 2017, OSCE observers had counted around 30,000 people in military gear crossing from Russia at the two border checkpoints it was allowed to monitor,[50] and documented military convoys crossing from Russia covertly.[51] All sides agreed to a roadmap for ending the war in October 2019,[52] but it remained unresolved.[53][54] During 2021, Ukrainian fatalities rose sharply and Russian forces massed around Ukraine's borders.[55] Russia recognised the DPR and LPR as independent states on 21 February 2022 and deployed troops to those territories. On 24 February, Russia began a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, subsuming the war in Donbas into it.

Make no Mistake: Russia is trying to destroy Ukraine since 2014. Russia is the agressor and needs to put in its place.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Russia is trying to destroy Ukraine ever since both of them were founded as independent counties. This is just a reiteration of what we've already seen in the russian empire and in the USSR. History is a merry-go-round and I'm getting motion sick of all the rotation.

Edit: typo

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Lots of propaganda today, seems like someone doesn't like Zelenskyy or a strong Ukraine.

Slava Ukraine!

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Zelensky confirmed it was 25 in his meeting with Trump.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago

The image describes 2014-2022. So it seems he's had 5 additional sit-downs with Russia between 2023-2025.

At least someone is trying to make peace happen (Ukraine).

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

You can absolutely want peace and even agree to concessions to Russia to reach a sustainable peace, but this point is absolutely valid: there must be security guarantees, otherwise Putin will just use the armistice to rebuild its strength and attack again.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Oh, absolutely. We want peace more than anyone else, but giving putin a chance to regroup, pull more support together and attack again is not peace, it's surrender

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Like all the guarantees before it, trusting the scorpion will only get the frog drowned.

As a disgusted American.... SLAVA UKRAINE!

I'm sorry my country is acting so poorly

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (16 children)

the amount of Fascist, Jingoistic shitposting that favors either Republican or Russian propaganda on social media is STAGGERING. The people arguing for it are more concerned about bathroom gender signs, DEI, wokism, and a bunch of other made up stuff, and not only are they oblivious that their country is being taken over by a foreign aggressor, THEY ARE PROUD OF IT. Because "at least the Russians kill the gays"

We are in this position we are today, because Russia has been waging an information war against NATO countries for 15-20 years. and the seeds they planted during the days of Georgia and Crimea, are blooming into fruit now.

The free world is AT WAR with Russia, and for the time being, America has been conquered. Victory from the jaws of Defeat, for the Russian mafia

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Because memes aren't journalism: you got any sources?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Memes aren't journalism, but this is a meme community, not a news community. However, one could argue that this is not exactly a meme, so your point is fair.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

I'd still like to get the sources. Otherwise, content like this is like disinformation spreads. Meme community or not.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (15 children)

With the time you took to comment you could have looked it up yourself, and then with a bit more time you could have posted the sources here. You're consciously choosing to not be informed, and to do nothing yourself and expect random people to do work for you.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I agree with you about sources, but instead of asking and waiting you can search for them as well. I did a quick search for some of the information in the image and I got some results about 200 rounds of talks since 2014. Not ones I recognize so I can’t say if they’re legit or not but it only took a few seconds to get that at least that far.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

The deal should be... All Russian troops get pulled out of Ukraine. Ukraine gets a lump sum of all seized Russian assets in foreign nations, Russia agrees not to move troops within 100 miles of Ukraine's border without Ukraine's consent. Ukraine agrees to allow and even assist civillain Russian services with locating and returning living and deceased Russians.

The alternative is we take the limits off of what targets can be attacked within Russia, and enable Ukraine to enforce the conditions as proposed.

I'd also like to add that Russia and the US give up their UN "super veto" power. I don't think anything good and effective can come from the UN when a single country can just "nope" any UN proposals.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The US won the physical war but lost the soft war to Russia.

The US is being couped, and we need to dethrone them before it's too late.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

i don't know who needs to hear this, who in their right minds would see Ukraine as the aggressor in this war

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Negotiations without security assurances*

This is the prime stickler with the USA-Ukraine deal that has been discussed on the news

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago

Slava Ukraini πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Reminder: Russia violated all of these uninformed.

Also, why is this posted here? This is not a meme.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

i guess the continued shelling of civilians in donbass and the rise of the banderites is russias fault too

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Weird how banderites never "shelled civilians" before russian invasion, innit?

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