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Most of us are cool with ya'll, but yeah, too many who aren't, so please stay the fuck out until its safe.
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Also to add, there is an unfortunate number of Liberals who are quickly walking back any support for trans folk.
Not only do these people fail as allies and as compassionate human beings, but they're also very stupid if they don't see that defending trans rights is the front line of the fight against fascism right now, and we all need to be there fighting it. They're not going to stop at taking rights away from trans people. It'll be you next.
They can't see that attacks on trans rights are also attacks on cis rights. I think that's part of the reason why Rep. Zoey Zephyr and Rep. SJ Howell were so effective at stopping a couple pieces of anti-trans legislation in Montana yesterday. They talked about the fact that the legislation would potentially effect cis people as well as the fact that it'd take "parental rights" away from parents. They also did it in a way that created a narrative which both cis and trans people can identify with, creating a common ground to further convince people that the legislation was wrong. And it was successful. They got a number of Republican lawmakers to switch sides, despite the fact that the GOP prides itself on being in lockstep. They even had a Republican lawmaker make a stand too, saying that the people introducing this legislation were basically just wasting everyone's time.
People say, "trans rights are human rights" and they're serious. We embody the extreme of gender non-conformity that cis people occasionally dabble in, and when you start taking away our rights, you start taking away cis rights too.
Can you give some links what these "pieces of anti-trans legislation" were going to do? Not familiar with that yet.
Here's an article on the two bills that got voted out in Montana: https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/powerful-speeches-from-trans-dems
Most of the anti-trans legislation is as bad or worse; Texas has a couple nutjobs trying to make being trans illegal as a whole.
Of course they're stupid; they're Americans.
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Unfortunately it‘s not a struggle between left or right anymore but up and down instead. Especially in the US.
It's always been a game for the poors, this ol' crab-bucket squid game bullshit. Seems like the only way out is to scare the tippy-top to their core. (No spoilers!)
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In what way are liberals walking back support for Trans? I’ve seen the comment from Gavin Newsom about athletics, but does that mean he has walked back all support? Or just in that one area?
Edit: I know my comments below got me banned from a number of communities for being “transphobic”, but I believe this is the exact problem with the trans activist movement.
You are actively pushing away allies because they don’t agree with you on certain issues. The net result will be (and already is) people getting elected to office that do not value ANY trans issue. If it is all or nothing, the trans movement will suffer.
This is a YouGov poll of people’s feelings on different trans issues. There are many that are very popular, but the issue of allowing trans athletes to play based on their gender is easily the most unpopular issue. How can you expect politicians to take up unpopular positions just because a small minority of voters care about it? They are just going to lose and give way to actual bigots.
Fact is, if the trans community thinks the issue of athletics is so important, they need to do a better job of promoting that issue. Banning allies from your communities because they don’t agree with your unpopular opinions is just bad for everybody.
Walking back support in one area is walking back support.
It ain't that complex. As soon as concessions are made, the far right demands more because there must always be an enemy to crush completely for the in-group. Who will then pick a new enemy when it comes politically convenient.
So in your opinion it’s an all or nothing thing? Like, you can’t question one area without going full bigot?
No.
If you fall back in front of the far right they will take that ground and demand more, as they always have done, and as they always will do. It's how they win, it's how they are winning, on trans rights, on immigration, on racial supremacy. Do not give them an inch. It's not "all or nothing" it's "give the bigots nothing".
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I am not sure what you don't understand about the statement that walking back support is, in fact, walking back support.
Sure, but your comment is implying it’s an all or nothing situation. Walking back is walking back and nothing else matters.
There’s are multitudes of trans issues, and questioning one does not mean you are questioning all of them.
If somebody thinks people born male shouldn’t be competing in non rec league sports against people born female, that doesn’t mean they should be treated the same as people that want to ban drag shows and ban accepting lgbt children and all the other blatant bigotry coming from the MAGA cult.
If you can’t accept the nuance in the conversations then there will be no conversation.
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In many ways it is. The actual science on trans athletics supports policies like those sports agencies have typically used - allowing people to compete if they've been on certain hormonal treatments for a specific period of time. Cis athletes also have advantages and disadvantages, relative to each other, based on testosterone level. Trans women on HRT are well within that range of performance. In many sports, trans women are actually at a disadvantage to cis women, due to the fact that trans women tend to have lower testosterone levels than cis women.
In other words, the science is completely against sports bans. There is no logical reason to do them. The truly scientific solution is to consider sports on an individual basis, and let the sport figure out what advantage/disadvantage trans folks might have. Then, if that advantage/disadvantage is well within normal player ranges, then competing is fine. If not, if it's an individual sport, maybe a handicap system. If it's a group sport, well maybe rules about how many trans people can be on any one team. Etc. You start at a position of aiming for fairness. Then you only prevent people from competing if a clear advantage can be justified. In other words, the complete opposite of blanket sports bans.
With sports bans, you're not meeting someone halfway on an issue of great scientific debate. You are simply caving to irrational bigotry. People think trans people are gross, so they want to hurt them. That's really the root of this. And you can't compromise with someone that isn't actually trying to craft good public policy. Two people can compromise on tax rates or the generosity of government benefits. But how do you compromise with someone that just wants to hurt other people? Their desire to hurt others isn't going to end. They'll just want more. Compromising with bigots only emboldens them.
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They weren’t liberals then. They were just going along with what they thought was more popular at the time.
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Furthermore, dear German folx & allies, can we come stay awhile, please?
Ze Nazis are here now, oder. 🥹
They're crawling back out of their holes here again too
But generally I'd say most people don't care
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Hi I'm trans and living in the US right now, in Seattle one of the best places to be trans in the US. Don't come here if you're trans. Don't travel to anywhere in the US, not Seattle, not anywhere. If for no other reason than to stop giving tourism money to us but if you're trans then yeah it's getting spicy.
All my trans friends who have had to travel are reporting increased pat downs, getting questioned by TSA, and bags being opened regardless of their documents. If you get clocked you may be delayed or searched.
For any trans people looking to get out of the country be careful. So far my best idea is to get to a state with enhanced IDs, use that to hop the border to Canada by land without having to physically hand your passport to a US agent, then fly out from there.
Stay safe everyone
For any trans people looking to get out of the country be careful. So far my best idea is to get to a state with enhanced IDs, use that to hop the border to Canada by land without having to physically hand your passport to a US agent, then fly out from there.
Or stay in Canada if you can swing it, and if we don't elect our own Trump-wannabe in our upcoming election
I really really hope the Cons keep shooting themselves in the foot, for the sake of everyone
Just don't travel to the US at all
Yeah, as much as I'd love to see some of the national parks, I'll never travel there unless their entry procedures and government change fundamentally. Plenty of other countries to visit.
Come to Canada instead. We got really nice parks too. And they tend to be less Disneyfied.
As an American one of the prettiest places I have ever been is Banff, in Canada.
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Boy, I would read that as a warning for other people as well. Who the hell wants to travel to a place where people are at risk just for being people? Tourism dies with autocracies. Let America become the dull homogeneous wasteland it wants without throwing them any tourism dollars.
Start accepting American LGBT refugees then.
Boy never in my life I would have thought about political refugees coming from the US to Germany.
Yesterday someone said to me that we're living in a South Park episode that became reality... I think he's right...
Even South Park isn't this wacky. They had to scrap and remake an episode after the 2016 election because it was completely baffling to them that Trump won.
You do not want to be a refugee here trust me
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Something Something passing privilege.
But seriously don't come here, TSA is filled with bootlickers and bystanders. And harassing and detaining foreigners is going to give them good boy points.
They are already detaining Germans without them being transgender whatsoever:
If they believe it is dangerous to travel there as a person like this what about this same population of people who are stuck living there?! When are they going to allow LBGTQ+ people refugee status from the us?
Ummm, anyone going to the US these days would have to be crazy. It's seriously volatile and even more unsafe than usual.
Just not being white and travelling to the US is now more of a risk too. Risk of getting harassed and detained by ICE. Or being harassed by people pretending to be ICE. Tourism is going to take a hit.
Based Germany
Even cis Germans probably should not go, given recent events.
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