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[–] AlolanYoda@mander.xyz 99 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Maybe I am in a different environment (particularly not being American), but the old scientists still exist and are still hard at work. In fact, all scientists I know (and I work in academia) care very little for misinformation on their day to day lives. They'll make fun of it, but don't have any more contact with them than anyone else. They still spend most of their time working on their actual projects. The only thing that changed is that now they're bending over backwards to include AI in their grants to make sure they're accepted, but having to include the latest buzzwords is nothing new.

Science communicators, on the other hand, yeah, those probably have their hands full with fixing misinformation.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

all scientists I know (and I work in academia) care very little for misinformation on their day to day lives.

Well in the US, that misinformation "won" and is coming for scientists now. Their funding is no longer a given, especially diverging from orthodoxy. Self-censorship is becoming the norm.

It can happen elsewhere, too. Use us as a warning.

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[–] optissima@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago

I bet they do still consume misinformation, just not in their fields. I know enough scientists that believe in great man theory or that a magic hand fixes the market to know that they're out there.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 92 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Yeah op you're right, people who hate science are definitely liberals with dyed bright hair

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago

Agree with your sarcasm, but Poe's Law applies. Always close your sarcasm HTML tag.

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 65 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I mean, everyone knows were on the back of a turtle, being held up by elephants

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 weeks ago

Nice try.

Everyone knows it's turtles all the way down.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 9 points 2 weeks ago

The turtle moves!

[–] NahMarcas@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

So funny, if atlas hear you will drop the land to the void

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The turtle is named the Great A'Tuin, btw

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 53 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

COVID was somehow the visceral turning point. Variations on visitor restrictions in hospitals still exist since then due to the extraordinary and amazing displays of bad behavior from that time.

People could always behave badly. Direct care staff, as one example, have been wearing panic buttons linked directly to security and calling a violence code over the announcement system, since around 2015 on the medical side of things.

But COVID was a severe escalation point. Families screaming in hallways that the diagnoses was “fake news” or part of the hospitals “corporate conspiracy” escalating to the point of pulling medical equipment off their loved ones, who could not breathe without that medical equipment.

Behaviors that could potentially kill people wrapped up in an inexorable belief that science was lying. No trust of medical personnel who are there to help whatever the system around them contrives to do with care.

While the behaviors are not like COVID times any more, there’s a residual skepticism of, well, everything since that time. Sadly, one that is preyed upon by politics to keep us fighting one another instead of punching up.

Forgive me, maybe “punching up” is now a ban-worthy turn of phrase.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm in a very conservative state and until recently I worked in hospitals around the country. You would not believe the amount of times I've heard covid conspiracy shit from actual healthcare workers. The most common one is that it's just the flu, but when anyone died for any reason at the time they put down covid as cause of death. Why would anyone do this? I guess it doesn't have to make sense. Just to hazard a guess I'd say more than half of the people in my state believe some form of covid conspiracy or disinformation.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I used to live in Seattle and while I didn't work in the medical field... I knew quite a lot of nurses and other, fairly entry level kinds of medical workers.

Most of these people, again, in Seattle, a supposed bastion of lefties... were vaccine skeptics or outright antivax, when COVID happened.

A lot of these people came from the more conservative areas outside Seattle, and then worked in Seattle because it was the only area hiring... but yeah, my anecdotal experience was/is that many medical staff themselves succumbed to vaccine conspiracies, and would freely admit and bitch about masking and vaccines when off the job.

[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

my anecdotal experience was/is that many medical staff themselves succumbed to vaccine conspiracies, and would freely admit and bitch about masking and vaccines when off the job.

Not even just off the job. I worked at a surgery center during the first few years of COVID, and I still distinctly remember at least one surgeon walking around the clinical areas with a mask that read "this mask does nothing". And I'm pretty sure he was seeing patients wearing that too.

I am still baffled by that, because this fucking window licker had to have taken microbiology, and literally wore a mask every goddamned times they did the thing they trained for.

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[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago

Maine lost something like a third of its nurses to a vaccine mandate. Which is cute because medical staff, all the way down to janitorial (hi) get updated vaccines every year.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago

The difference is Galileo produced a highly successful theory with more explanatory power than its predecessor, while people who don't trust "The Science" nowadays spent exactly 2 seconds thinking about it before saying "nuh uh".

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I always think it's so weird when someone uses the ~~aryan~~ ~~nazi~~ blonde hair blue eye chad guy or whatever it's called to show the "good old days" or whatever. Additionally in this case I find it curious that the images used for the folks who seem to represent the regressive anti-science crowd are a group of characters with more diverse looks. Care to explain your choices OP? @not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone

Edit: thank you for the correction!

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Not disagreeing with you, but we really need to stop letting "Aryan" mean what the Nazis decided it should mean. Aryan is, and always has been, a term for the Indo-Iranian languages. As scientists, we need to be the first to take it back to its actual meaning.

[–] freethemedia@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Honestly, my opinion as someone of Indian descent is the only people that really care about “reclaiming aryan heritage” from nazis are hindutva “Brahmin piety” type people

I consider myself Indian, not Aryan

That’s just my opinion, I don’t claim to represent all indo Iranians but like honestly in my opinion the nazis can keep the aryan name

“Real” Aryans aren’t even worth being proud of anyways, the Aryans were primarily known for using chariot warfare to subjugate the Indian subcontinent and then spent centuries enforcing and enacting the horrific caste systems.

Nazis can keep the Aryan culture personally I don’t need it anyways

  • my own opinions ofc

Ethno nationalism is bad, whether it’s nazi Aryanism or Hindutva Aryanism

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Totally fair. As a student of ancient languages, I primarily think of it in terms of language development and archeology, so I can certainly see why its modern connotation would be spurned. I think that, since the term's misuse came out of the bullshit archeology of Nazi Germany, it's better to air it out for the bullshit it is.

Consider also that "Semitic" is a philological term for the languages of the varied peoples of the Arabian peninsula and the Levant, so for an Israeli politician to claim that Palestinians are "antisemitic" is hilariously stupid. There are a lot of uses of these old archeological terms and symbols that got corrupted when the Nazis first did their Nazi thing, and my hope is to disempower their rhetoric by contributing to the disempowerment of the bullshit they spawned.

I personally think it's just hilarious that the term for "white, blonde, and blue-eyed" among racial purists literally refers to a heritage that virtually cannot be further from their supposed "ideal". It is for this reason that I correct people, because it is just another case of Nazis and White Supremacists showing that not only do they know nothing, they actively look less intelligent with every word they spew. The more people who realize that the Nazis are wrong, the better. In the case of the thread OP to whom I replied, it seemed like an opportunity to pass on this tidbit, because their stance makes me think that they and I are like-minded in our opinion of Nazi idiocy.

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[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you for pointing that out, I have changed it to be more accurate.

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Eh... a lot of people were protesting "Frankenfood" when the human genome project was going on.

People have always been idiots about science, just that the idiots are more organized and more vocal now.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

MSM let them on and gave them a megaphone.

[–] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No shit it’s not shaped like an eagle. It’s shaped like a velociraptor.

[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 38 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s mostly the red hat cult that doesn’t trust science.

[–] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

What do you have against redhat.com?

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

They shifted to a paid subscription model and fucked over any goodwill they had. Yeah they were major contributors to open source, but we gave them clemency because we didn't think they'd position themselves to fuck us over so eagerly. Had we known, we wouldn't have made so many downstream distros from them.

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[–] HailSeitan@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What do you have against Adam Conover, a certified member of the reality-based community and someone who has spent much of his career fighting on the side of facts against myth and misinformation?

[–] Chemo@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 week ago

I was wondering the same. Simply seems like a right-wing meme relabeled. Although notice the cyclist and colored hairs.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

People have started to believe that opinions are the same or better than facts. That's also the reason why politics is fucked.

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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 21 points 2 weeks ago

It's an awkward example to pick. Human genome research was so controversial someone made an award-winning dystopian sci-fi movie to criticise it.

We did collectively get Maya Hawke out of that deal, though.

Incidentally, that was written by the same guy who made dystopian fiction about reality TV and corporate-sponsored vtubers before either thing existed. Andrew Niccol turned out to be amazing at spotting upcoming trends, terrible at identifying how exactly they would ruin things.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Science then: if you try to prove that the Earth orbits around the sun, we'll have you tortured and killed

Science now: 2x2 is not 6, but go off Terry

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[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago

There’s always been people doubting science. Nothing new

[–] Zidane@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago

It took me way too long and finally zooming in to realize the first dude didn't strap knives to his face...

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago

This memes imagery couldn't be more reversed from reality even if the message is accurate.

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