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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.


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  1. Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
  2. What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
  3. Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
  4. Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
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Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.

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I'm gonna get real with you folks, we've had way too many of these posts recently. I've been reflecting on this topic a lot the past few days. For me personally, I couldn't care less about my gender identity. But just because that's true for me, doesn't make that true for everyone.

The beauty of the fediverse is that if you don't like the way a particular instance or community is moderated you can simply choose another to hang out on, or create your own.

Blajah has made it pretty clear by now they will ban anyone who argues against the validity of xenogenders, in order to create a safe space for those folks. That's fair enough imo.

Safe spaces should be respected, and Blajah's admins/mods do not deserve abuse for creating and maintaining those spaces.

I can completely understand why Blajah users don't want to have to constantly argue with external users about the validity of their chosen identities. Bans are one way Blajah has decided to manage that problem so that their users can experience lemmy in relative peace and safety. While it is a blunt tool and I have my reservations about preemptive bans, there are not many other options for @[email protected], other than defederation from most instances. That would be a terrible outcome for the fediverse as a whole.

In order to help Blajah to maintain their safe space, I would like to propose, if @[email protected] agrees and community sentiment is positive:

  • that we no longer accept posts about this topic in this community; and ~~- we also remove previous posts on this topic from the community.~~

That's all folks, have at 'er.

Edit: thanks for all your feedback and comments. I think it's clear that the vast majority of people are fed up with this topic coming up repeatedly.

Summarizing the feedback, I'd say most folks would prefer to retain previous posts for the sake of posterity, and to serve as an example of why we don't want anymore of these posts. I'm happy to take that on board. For those folks saying I'm a PTB for intervening in this way, I'll just remind you that I haven't made any arbitrary mod decisions, and I've consulted with db0 and the community as a whole before taking any mod actions.

I think the way to move forward with this is to acknowledge that there's a bunch of queer and straight people who have a problem with xenogenders. Personally, I think that's a valid perspective and shouldn't sanctioned on our instance. But for Blajah, they've drawn a line in the sand over this and that's ok too. Our instance won't be blocking anyone over their opinions on the topic, especially in this community where free discussion is necessary and encouraged. But safe spaces should be respected.

A lot of folks mentioned I should more more specific about the "no more posts about Blajah's mod policies" rather than making it a sweeping and overly broad statement. I think that's good feedback. I will amend this to "No more posts in this community about the validity or otherwise of neopronouns, xenogenders, and bans originating from Blajah about gatekeeping or transphobia. This is in recognition of Blajah's safe space policy. You are of course free to discuss those topics outside of this community.

Note that this decision isn't about ideological gatekeeping, its about reducing the workload for our own mods and admins in trying to moderate this community, and to avoid iterating over the same old topics again and again.

Blajah isn't getting a "free pass" over YPTB posts - if you feel they are power tripping over other issues then feel free to make a post here. But if it's a post questioning the validity of xenogenders or about Blajah bans for gatekeeping then that will no longer be allowed here. Those folks deserve a safe space on Lemmy, even if it's not a mainstream opinion.

For those folks who feel aggrieved about being accused of "transphobia" or "gatekeeping" over their views on this topic, I completely understand just how hurtful it can be to be unfairly (imo) accused in this way. I've been in the same position, and I also found it difficult to deal with. I want those folks to know that our instance does not require you to support xenogenders in order to participate in our instance. However we do require that you use preferred pronouns whenever they are specified. That's been a longstanding instance policy on dbzer0.

Thank everyone for your feedback.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I agree in at least a memorandum or a break on this so everyone, myself included, can outside and breathe from air. Play games they enjoy. Read a good book. Listen to music.

Taking a break from the keyboard helps me when I'm upset about online stuff that doesn't impact the real world.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mad love for the user name, btw :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Proposing a very specific limit on posts referring mod/admin actions taken against users on LBZ that directly fall afoul of their instance rules regarding very specific gatekeeping might have some value. The subject has been hashed and re-hashed too fucking much. Their rules are their rules, breaking those rules on the instance is clear YDI. Breaking those rules elsewhere and having action taken against you is arguably PTB. I'm in favor of the idea of putting that on wax.

Purging previous discussion is no good, and even the proposal, coming from a community mod as it does, rubs me the wrong way. It shouldn't, because you have just as much right to propose a change as any other community member, but it puts me on edge.

There is value in what's been said already, even if some of it is highly disagreeable. Suggesting removal of that record for any reason invites future discussion of the same, IMO. Not everyone who will ever be a member of this community is a member now. If we're going to consider making a rule about this whole mess, best to leave the roadmap that led us here intact.

Potential yes to a well-defined rule of specific, narrow scope. Hard, hard no to retroactive application of that rule.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I just want to clarify. The only people getting banned for remote comments are people who knowingly and explicitly gatekeep other folks identity in response to this topic coming up. They are banned so that they don't start appearing in blahaj communities with the very people they're invalidating.

To me, there's no difference. If someone's response to this topic coming up is to double down on gatekeeping, it doesn't make them any less harmful just because they did it outside of a blåhaj community.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think people should be allowed to complain about any mod, on any community, on any instance.

Otherwise, it shows a pretty clear favoritism.

I don't come here for fruitless arguments regarding lemmy.ml or blahaj.zone moderation, but that is the cost of open discussion. If people want to fight each other, who are we to prevent them?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

That's just it, though. The blahaj people don't want to fight about this, that's literally the entire point of the rule. This is about other people coming into their spaces, starting fights, getting banned for rules that are very clear and then pitching a shit fit about it.

I don't complain when I get booted from lemmy.ml communities for breaking a clear rule because I went to their place and fucked around. It would literally be a waste of everyone's time for me to complain about.

The rule about pronouns is pretty cut and dried. You can either respect them, or you can not engage with the people who you think are trolling at all, which to be clear, is incredibly fucking easy to do. No one is forcing these people to make comments like that in those communities. That's a personal choice.

Once again, if you show up on blahaj and start fucking around with pretty clearly defined rules, only one side is fighting, the other side is just banning them for breaking clear rules. That's not a fight, that's enforcing the rules they've laid out.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think you're doing the right thing. The trolls are really stepping up, which is obvious in this thread. I'm trying to share it a lot because if you really read it and understand the process of what they're doing, you'll save yourself a lot of time and energy.

“Once we isolate key people, we look for people we know are in their upstream – people that they read posts from, but who themselves are less influential. We then either start flame wars with bots to derail the conversations that are influencing influential people, or else send off specific tasks for sockpuppets (changing this wording of an idea here; cause an ideological split there; etc).”

https://archive.is/PoUMo

Edit: I forgot to add this part of the thread:

The goal is to keep opinions we don't want fragmented and from coalescing in to a single voice for long enough that the memes we do want can,...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Remember when you banned me because I disagreed with you and it annoyed you and you wanted to win the argument?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm completely in favor of this.

Frankly, most of what I see on this comm is BPR and YDI, and most people could probably benefit from taking their bans and touching grass. But having some posts be YDI makes the PTB's more exciting so maybe i'm wrong.

Maybe we should make some penalty for earning a YDI or BPR, so that people who receive them aren't encouraged to re-hash the same conflicts over and over? I'm honestly not sure. Part of the problem is that the same people cross-post the same conflict on similar comms, which makes it feel as if the same issue is being litigated repeatedly.

But complaining about receiving a ban from a protective community with strict conduct policies is certainly not the intent of this community, i don't think.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But complaining about receiving a ban from a protective community with strict conduct policies is certainly not the intent of this community, i don’t think.

Is that all it takes to be immune from PTB status? Being a 'protective' community, but only towards the 'right' people who think in the 'right' way?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Maybe it is? Don't non-binary people have a right to moderate their own space as they like?

If they have a rule against gatekeeping gender identities and pronouns in their own instance, don't they have a right to remove offenders from their servers?

You're all over this topic today, maybe just take a second and listen to what the community is saying. You've more than said your piece.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe it is? Don’t non-binary people have a right to moderate their own space as they like?

Is there a group out there that doesn't have the right to moderate their own space 'as they like'?

If they have a rule against gatekeeping gender identities and pronouns in their own instance, don’t they have a right to remove offenders from their servers?

"They have the right" and "It is always the correct call" are two entirely different concepts.

You’re all over this topic today, maybe just take a second and listen to what the community is saying. You’ve more than said your piece.

Yeah, well maybe I'm fucking pissed that I just watched a user get harassed out of the Fediverse because Blahaj wants to play harassment games on other people's instances, and that I'm the one who had to fucking bring it up to be discussed. Maybe I don't like the idea that if I stayed quiet this all would've been swept under the rug.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Jesus

I haven't a clue what event you're referring to even though I feel as though I've encountered nothing but your comments today. If your goal is to discuss a specific abuse then you've done a piss poor job of it.

I'd recommend reaching out to @[email protected] if you think there's been that severe of an abuse that's happened, and the community mod hasn't addressed it well enough.

Honestly, though, it just seems like you have an axe to grind and you're taking it out on everyone else. Either settle it with the admins or cool off a bit, you're souring the space for everyone by flaming out like this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I haven’t a clue what event you’re referring to even though I feel as though I’ve encountered nothing but your comments today.

I've summarized the events in this thread alone at least twice.

My opinions on xenogender aside, the fact that Blahaj defenders, in this very comm, harassed a trans user into leaving the Fediverse has me fuming, and rightfully so in my opinion. And they play it off as “[The harassed user] deserved it.” even now. That is pretty core to the anger I feel right now.

Uh, considering recent events, where Blahaj defenders dogpiled a trans person on another instance for disagreeing with them, you sure about that

Most of my comments have been refutations to specific arguments put forth in the context of those events.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you have something more specific than your (purely objective) recounting of what happened? A link to it?

At the moment, I'm not sure I'd trust you if you told me the sky was blue

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

https://lemmy.world/post/26286098

It's one of the most recent threads on this comm.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

it looks like you're geting angry about something third hand that another person reported as happening to them that even they're not 100% on the causative factors but strongly suspect.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There was a second ban that happened in that thread which I noted in a comment. And then, after the events of the thread, the user decided to leave the Fediverse entirely after, as a trans person, being repeatedly and insistently called a transphobe and fascist while other users backed the sentiment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think I need to stop trying to undestand why you are attacking people and screaming at them. Good bye.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Sorry that harassing a trans user until they leave the platform is no big deal in your eyes?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If we're at the point where Blahaj gets a pass for power-tripping by using the idea that they're a trans safe-space as a shield, even as they harass other trans users on other instances to the point of leaving the Fediverse, I'm out of this comm.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Did they harass you though? Or just ban you from blahaj?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They are on this thread accusing Pug of being a transphobe, wanting to use slurs, and a bunch of other heinous shit he has never done based on him not agreeing that dragon can be a gender.

It has also happened repeatedly in the last, but I am to lazy to look it up. Just imagine the same volume of anger and vitrol has been directed at Pug for some time on instances other than blajah for quite a while now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm OK with that but it has to be a bit more targeted specifically to blahaj's rule about gatekeeping and neopronouns, and I would add everything drag of course.

I wouldn't delete old posts, just lock them.

Maybe make it a temporary moratorium?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

~~agree. seeing that the trolls the posters here are crying about have been banneed for weeks to months, a temporary moratorium is probably fine. maybe six months but im pulling that number from nowhere.~~

EDIT: I have changed my mind about this. See https://lemmy.cafe/comment/10132150 and the preceding thread.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I agree, this community should be a place to discuss mod abuse, not bellyache over transphobia and hate speech being censored or being banned from it. Such discourse makes this community extremely toxic and unusable to vulnerable groups, it also creates inherent bias here favoring alt-right shitheads.

I think @[email protected] would very much agree with this decision as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I agree, this community should be a place to discuss mod abuse, not bellyache over transphobia and hate speech being censored or being banned from it. Such discourse makes this community extremely toxic and unusable to vulnerable groups, it also creates inherent bias here favoring alt-right shitheads.

"It's not mod abuse if I think they had it coming for Wrongthink, and even discussing the possibility should be banned."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

“It’s not mod abuse if I think they had it coming for Wrongthink, and even discussing the possibility should be banned.”

"I'm just going to ignore every point he makes and make up some worthless garbage about banning by disagreement because I can't address Draconic's actual points"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

“I’m just going to ignore every point he makes and make up some worthless garbage about banning by disagreement because I can’t address Draconic’s actual points”

The issue brought up by these threads is whether moderator action was justified or not; whereas you are saying the very topic is verboten and makes this place "toxic" and "unusable" as you harass marginalized folk who commit the crime of disagreeing with you. The point you're making is in favor of a topic ban on YPTB. Hence "and even discussing the possibility should be banned." I'm sorry that you don't understand what you yourself are advocating for.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You got your answer long ago. You Deserved It, They Deserved it. You and them are indeed gatekeeping other people's identities and accusing them of being evil for identifying that way. Also for the record calling people out for gatekeeping and hostility is not "harassing minorities" people don't get a free pass because they're trans sweetie, if they're gatekeeping assholes they get called out. Whether they scream bigotry afterwards or not is their choice but when they chose to falsely scream bigotry it says more about them than the person calling them out, and ironically puts them in that bad situation of being harmful since crying wolf about transphobia ends up being more harmful than helpful.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

You got your answer long ago. You Deserved It, They Deserved it.

Yes, I know you think they deserved to be harassed by you and your pals, but generally in this comm the question is about moderator action.

You and them are indeed gatekeeping other people’s identities and accusing them of being evil for identifying that way.

Fucking what.

Also for the record calling people out for gatekeeping and hostility is not “harassing minorities” people don’t get a free pass because they’re trans sweetie, if they’re gatekeeping assholes they get called out. Whether they scream bigotry afterwards or not is their choice but when they chose to falsely scream bigotry it says more about them than the person calling them out, and ironically puts them in that bad situation of being harmful since crying wolf about transphobia ends up being more harmful than helpful.

God, that's some painful fucking irony, to say that with no self-awareness. Bravo.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're being obtuse and I hope when things cool down you're able to see the harm this behavior is causing in this specific circumstance and also more generally. I understand that you probably have good intentions but I think you're either very misguided, trolling, reacting without thinking through the impact of your behavior, or some combination of these things, and I do feel like the ban was warranted especially considering the fit you're throwing. I have respect for the involvement you have in sustaining and contributing platform and the effort you clearly put into it, and I have seen you say things I really agreed with, but this is too much for me. This is not how you encourage left unity and safe and sustainable practices that support as many people as possible. I know you know about the paradox of tolerance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You’re being obtuse and I hope when things cool down you’re able to see the harm this behavior is causing in this specific circumstance and also more generally.

A trans user was just harassed off the Fediverse by these people, man. Is that harm invisible? I'm bitching about people doing that. That's harmful?

I understand that you probably have good intentions but I think you’re either very misguided, trolling, reacting without thinking through the impact of your behavior, or some combination of these things, and I do feel like the ban was warranted especially considering the fit you’re throwing.

My ban's not the issue, here. When it was locked the other day, I was content to let that be it. The ban was a minor thing; annoying and shitty, but ultimately not meaning much considering that, as mentioned in the OP, I didn't even use Blahaj anymore.

If you think my ban was warranted, that's fine. But "We shouldn't discuss Blahaj anymore", as in the comment I was replying to, is not.

I know you know about the paradox of tolerance.

Sure. You tolerate Nazis, they'll take over and won't tolerate you.

Where are the Nazis, here?

Because it looks to me an awful lot like infinite purity tests inflicted even on users outside of the Blahaj instance, combined with sustained harassment; neither of which encourage left unity or safe and sustainable practices that support as many people as possible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

It’s “bellyaching” over dissent from other queers

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This shouldn't even be a debate or question. This hateful bullshit against Blahaj just needs to stop and mods need to put their foot down and say enough is enough. Like if this kind of shit arguing against a queer friendly instance for being queer friendly is okay or permitted I don't think that [email protected] should even be on our instance anymore, and our admins should just remove it.

I hope it doesn't come to that. I hope this community can put an end to this bullshit and stop endorsing queerphobic users' complaints.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

If I were a Blahaj user, I'd be posting about defederation from db0. The transphobia needs to end.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I have a related question:

Where do the users who get banned from YPTB go, when they eventually get banned from YPTB?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

believe it or not, straight to jail.

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