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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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Not really "powertripping". Just pathetic. Consider this a notice to avoid feddit.org... I've unsubbed and blocked the instance.

We can't dehumanize fascists for their choice to dehumanize everyone for things outside their control though, because that would be mean, and hurt their sociopath feefees!

Europe stool idly by throughout the 1930's "tolerating" fascism, and the Nazi's killed over 100 million people. Don't make the same mistake as the radical centrists of history. Fascists will not afford you the same tolerance or courtesy.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

feddit.org is a German hosted instance that has to abide by the German law. By that law, your comment falls into a grey-zone of legality. As much as I agree with you, they were right in removing your comment, as they are legally obligated to. They could get into trouble if they don't.

To quote the feddit.org sidebar:

Content that is illegal in Germany, Austria or Switzerland will be deleted and can lead to an immediate ban of the account.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can you quote an article of German law forbidding calling nazis (or any other violent political group) pieces of shit?

It is a genuine question - I am not familiar with German law.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Not that directly, but saying they have "zero worth" might be against GG Article 1

Human dignity is inviolable

Pretty sure dehumanizing can be prosecuted under this, even if its rather tame. Also there have been some laws over the last few years that criminalize violent speech on the internet and that give people the ability to report comments directly to agencies. These might make it quite dangerous for the instance to keep up these comments.

I assure you, German leftist often say way more intense stuff on a daily basis, but not on publicly hosted servers

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can you quote the actual article?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can you be less annoying? No one owes you anything here.

You are misrepresenting the facts here. Nobody said that calling Nazis pieces of shit is actionable under German law. That's not the problem. The post specifically states that "Nazi lives don't matter", questioning a person's right to life is dehumanizing and might very well break German law. I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not gonna quote specific case law but if I were an admin, I'd also would err on the side of caution here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Can you be less annoying? No one owes you anything here.

Can you go and kindly shag yourself? No one asks you to answer here.

Furthermore, you don't have a clue how logic works, do you? If someone claims the comment has been removed due to German law, it is on them to prove it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well done, perfectly logical analysis of my last comment. Now try to apply the same to the entire thread.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh my god, do you seriously think you can analyse laws and case law of a different country in a different language if we're just gonna link the articles?

Well, if you like you can read §111 Strafgesetzbuch but in German legalese and not in a google translated version please. To see how this law is interpreted, you could read this relevant court decision: https://openjur.de/u/2271522.html

The court opinion is interesting, because the posters were lawful because they wrote "Nazis töten." and not "Nazis töten!" which leads to the posters not being actionable. Do you see the difference? Do you understand the fine line the party "Die Partei" walked here?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The court opinion is interesting, because the posters were lawful because they wrote "Nazis töten." and not "Nazis töten!" which leads to the posters not being actionable. Do you see the difference?

Yes, honey. First version is the opinion, second is a call to kill nazis.

Now, do you have anything relevant to this particular situation? I mean ANYTHING applicable HERE? Otherwise I call bullshit - I can call nazis pieces of shit as much as I want without breaking a single German law.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Close but no. As I said, you're not actually qualified to discuss with the adults especially if you can't see how this is relevant here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

As I said, you're not actually qualified to discuss

Fucking hell 🙄 you are an arrogant idiot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I can call nazis pieces of shit as much as I want without breaking a single German law.

If you don't know anything about the laws of a different country you should probably just shut the hell up. Even if you apply critical thinking you should get that insulting someone is illegal. Since youre going to ask anyway:

§ 185 StGB

The offence is punishable by a custodial sentence of up to one year or a monetary penalty and, if the offence is committed publicly, in a meeting, by disseminating content (Section 11 (3)) or by means of an assault, by a custodial sentence of up to two years or a monetary penalty.

In terms of why the original comment breaks German law and therefore got rightfully deleted see my other comment:

Nothing easier than that: Art 130 StGB

Anyone who, in a manner likely to disturb the public peace,
1.
incites hatred against a national, racial, religious or ethnic group, against sections of the population or against an individual because of their membership of a designated group or a section of the population, incites violence or arbitrary measures, or
2.
attacks the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously denigrating or slandering a designated group, parts of the population or an individual because of their membership of a designated group or part of the population,

The Post was in A Manner to disturb the public by being a public post. It attacks the human dignity by dehumanising a group based on their world view. Under current German law this is incitement to people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Well, yeah. We don’t condone murdering murderers, either.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If Hitler was assassinated before he started the war, millions wouldn't die.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The same if he had been detained.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Not really. He was in charge of Germany, there was no chance for him being detained. Draw the conclusions yourself.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Depends on the murderer. Dexter has great ratings because people do in fact support murder of people who kill and aren't being held accountable, at least in theory.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

At least in fiction. Big difference.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Always keep in mind the human on the other end. The human who has made their whole identity be about dehumanizing other people. Remember, remain respectful and considerate, only they get a pass at ignoring that.

Wait, why are governments suddenly falling to fascism!?!?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Consider this a notice to avoid feddit.org… I’ve unsubbed and blocked the instance.

... but that looks like a mod/comm ban, not an admin/instance ban?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

You're right. I scrolled through the instances top communities. Most seemed political, and are pretty small, so I just assumed it's a propaganda mill. Might not be.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hi, I happen to be a moderator on that community. I wouldn't have banned you but I won't put my partners' decision under scrutiny if this is a temporal ban. If this ban is permanent, feel free to DM me, I'd like to review what happened here.

PS. Moderating communities is exhausting! And terribly difficult given my account is not on feddit.org

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm going to assume this is a language thing. You really do sound like a nazi when saying "i wont put my partner's decision under scrutiny" when the decision is to act like a nazi. You may want to reword or recend that comment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I can see where he was coming

A three day ban is now apparently Nazi. This word has truly lost all meaning. You are lost ideologically.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

One of the best things that happened in the 20th century was the firm reaffirmation, after the war was over, that Nazi lives do have value.

The allies would have been within every reasonable right to just string up the Nazi leadership like Mussolini, make a new treaty of Versailles, and mime tiny violins any time one of the citizens of Germany raised the alarm that their kids were starving. And, a lot of the people on the ground basically did exactly that. But the word from the top is: They are humans. They have rights.

The ones we think are guilty get lawyers and trials, no matter what we’re pretty sure they did. That’s what humans have to do for each other, in a just world. It doesn’t mean you don’t set things right, but you still give them human value and rights, even the worst, before you put them to death if that’s justice.

The whole roots of the war lay in misery and hate. What are we going to be reaping in 20 years if we just replant it all because it’s “what they deserve?” Let’s put an end to it.

It doesn’t mean we didn’t do terrible things in the war, or kill in self defense. Even kill whole cities in an instant, if you need to. But the killing isn’t the point. It’s just a protection, and it needs to end as soon as you can see a way to end it.

And then, back to human life and value. That is, in fact, what separates us from the Nazis, is that we’re not looking to throw it away.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nazis are shitbags, yes, but like, calm down a bit. Don't stoop down to their level.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

and this idiot take is how you end up with a Nazi problem

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You don't prevent a Nazi problem by playing their game of hate. It's a game they will always win. By saying shit like that, all you're doing is emboldening the hardliners and giving them ammunition, while reconfirming those doubting their beliefs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes when Nazis are rounding people up simply turn the other minority

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sweet mother of an appeal to extremes. How do you go from "don't use Nazi's playbook" to "do nothing while Nazis are committing an ethnic cleansing"?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not an extreme. It's what the nazis did last time they were in power and what neonazis openly admit to planning to do next time they're in power. Any ounce of repect and human dignity given to them will be used to harm people who have done nothing wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're missing the point. This isn't about treating Nazis with respect, it's about not playing their game, which only benefits them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The point is that it's not a game. Nazism cannot be tolerated and has to be met with strong resistance, even violence when it poses a threat. You are an enabler.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good lord, it's a metaphor, not an actual game you play. And where did I say anything about enabling them? You really don't get what I'm saying.

You go around threatening and dehumanising Nazis? It does nothing. No one changes their mind about anything. It's performative at best. At worst, those questioning their beliefs will see stuff like that and gain resolve for their ideas. Hardliners will use it as ammunition. They will use what you're saying as an excuse to gain more power and restrict your rights to "protect" themselves.

Go organise, vote, protest, resist. That is how you stop Nazis. Take lessons from us Europeans, had to denazify half our continent, and who continue to keep our far right away from power.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Famously Nazis were debated out of Europe

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Aren't they already commiting an ethnic cleansing?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Depending how you look at it, sadly yes. That people in the US are doing nothing about it is both terrifying and disappointing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because every time we try to do something about it we have milquetoast nazi sympathizing centrist complaining about "stooping to their level".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Aight bud, I'm no centrist nor Nazi sympathiser.

When I say "do something about it", I don't mean "rant to internet strangers".

If you encounter Nazis online, laugh at them and poke holes in their wet napkin of an ideology. Don't dehumanise them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If you don’t believe in human rights for Nazis, you don’t believe in universal human rights.

Right to life is a the most basic one.

Arguments about limiting free speech is on a different level.

Fascists not caring about free speech, but exploiting it in bad faith, is the core of the argument and very valid.

A three day ban is fine for something like this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For some context, this person is a Zionist, and with the genocide in Palestine, it’s not surprising that they would have nazi sympathies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Of course the antisemites show up right away to spread their hate.

I have protested against and fought Nazis with my own fists since I was 16.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you claiming that a person protesting against Israeli indiscriminate slaughter of Palestinian men, women and children must be an antisemite?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

No. What are you talking about?

The only thing he did was make an equivalence between Nazis snd Zionism. That comparison itself is already tantamount to Holocaust denial and thus antisemitic.

Zionism is the right of the Jewish people to self determination. Denying the Jewish people this human right is antisemitic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Zionism is nationalism. Mearly calling it a right to self-determination is disengenious.

On the other hand I agree that implying an equality between Zionism and Nazism (as in the facist ideoligy) downplays the severity of facism and the Holocaust in particular.