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[–] Yorick@sh.itjust.works 124 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The magic of a clear line of sight and vacuum for a good ~384'300km!

So should we do low power communications by using the moon as reflector dish?

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 90 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also, directional vs omnidirectional antennas.

[–] facepainter@lemm.ee 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is the most important part.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And not encoding any data. Well a laser pulse is kind of datum.

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 22 points 1 week ago

One bit! That’s all you get!

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There was a NSA program that listened to soviet messages by collecting the transmissions that bounced off the moon.

[–] DaveyRocket@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I gotta say, the moon’s really starting to sound like a fucking snitch.

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I am worried about 2000ms ping

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago

That's what the anti-tachyon modulation circuit is for, to change the time phase and remove most of that lag. Once they're in sync, it's literally real time!

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 week ago

the distance is 384400km

That's almost the distance between my bed and the kitchen before my first cup of coffee!

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 29 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's easy, you just need a big antenna, low noise receiver (just cool it) for low bandwidth (keeps noise power low) and no interferers in the same frequency band.

[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

It's almost too easy

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Show me a non-directional antenna.

[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Omni-directional antennas?

[–] feddylemmy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Omnidirectional antennas attempt to radiate equally horizontally. An isotropic antenna radiates equally in all directions but is only theoretical. All antennas have some gain.

That being said, there are some antennas that attempt to minimize that gain and be as non-directional as possible while other antennas attempt to maximize that gain and become as directional as possible.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just because you call it non-directional doesn't mean it is. They all have gain compared to a theoretical isotropic antenna.

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago

And how is that relevant? Everybody knows they mean low gain antennas

[–] Trollception@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Perfect. Now put those on cell phones and make it fit in your pocket.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Technology always gets better with no regard to physical limits.

(People who argue this unironically are a pet peeve of mine. Yes, there are limitations on what's possible.)

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago

That's fair, though I think we also should thank the use of Travelling Wave Tubes (TWTs or 'twits'). These little tubes of witchcraft amplify the transmission signal to make sure we can still hear, say, the Voyager 1 that's currently over 15-billion miles away.

[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My Bluetooth buds often get interference - technically 100 mW, distance from my head to a pocket.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 10 points 1 week ago

technically 100 mW

Technically a maximum of 100 mW, but realistically much lower than that.

[–] neatobuilds@lemmy.today 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I use about 800mW for my fpv drone and if you get a little bit away from yourself and go behind a tree or something you could lose video pretty easily

[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wonder what the latency would be like trying to fly my 3.5" on the moon from earth

Although I suppose the lack of atmosphere would be the bigger issue...

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 2 points 1 week ago

Well duh is space, you gotta put flames on the side for it to go fast

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I bet the receiver that had noise figure low enough to detect that signal consumed more than 3nW while doing it.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair, that's an insignificant distance for light to travel.

[–] 7eter@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Still takes at least 2 seconds for the round trip.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, according to my ex, even 30 or 90 seconds is an interval unworthy of consideration.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)