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[–] espentan@lemmy.world 65 points 6 days ago

He shook as he watched her disappear. He thought, "What the f— do I do?"

Too late to ask that now - you wanted a hateful moron in charge and you got your wish.

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 44 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (8 children)

I just don’t understand why Trump supporters believe Trump. It was clear that his campaign was influenced by Project 2025, and he had several of its authors at his inner circle. But he claimed he didn’t know anything about it and for some reason his supporters believed him.

And now he’s doing exactly what was promised. None of this should be a surprised. The document was openly published by a think tank, his campaign embraced it, and yet his supporters thought it wasn’t going to happen.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

I don't think they cared more than they didn't trust Kamala. It was mysogony. And racism. And we just keep trying to intellectualize stupidity. They're dumb. They don't think it through.

Except for the billionaire faction. They know exactly what they are doing to keep their money where they want it. With them.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I really don't get it either. Trump can say something and his supporters will believe him no matter what.

He could tell a supporter their child is a demon, shoot the kid in the face and they would thank him for it.

I have no idea what to do about it.

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Trump can say something and his supporters will believe him no matter what.

Liberals do the same shit with their politicians. BlueMAGA has the same capacity for reasoning and insight that MAGA does.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago (9 children)

You are not well informed whatsoever. Democrats turn on bad actors in their party in a heartbeat. To their own detriment even. Look where Al Franken is right now.

Go read more.

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[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 16 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Do they? Sure, Bernie supporters love to sniff his farts, but they’re not making him the center of their conspiracy theories and there’s no indication they’d believe him if he said 2+2=5. And no one’s getting this excited over Harris, Biden, Warren, Buttigieg, etc.

We need to stop pretending both sides are basically the same. They’re not. They were in the 90s, when it was Clinton vs. Bush. They were pre-Trump, with people like Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. But Trump is in a league of his own, and there is not a liberal equivalent of MAGA right now.

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

I was told by liberals that I should stop worrying about Gazan children for more than a year while Biden and Democrats happily gave Israel the money and guns to kill them

Now they tell me Trump is bad for his support of Israel

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Democrat voters were the only ones denouncing Israel.

The choice was made clear in all social media and publicly by all Democrat and Republican politicians.

Vote Democrat if you want to support Palestinians and condemn Israel while continuing to allow Israel to buy weapons.

Vote Republican if you want to exterminate all Palestinians. Trump promised in speeches to wipe out all Palestinians.

You might not like either choice but the two sides were not the same.

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wha?

Any time I criticized Biden admin for giving arms to Israel, I was told "he's trying to end it" or "just vote Harris"

I criticized Harris for not making herself meaningfully different from Biden on the genocide issue. People here told me to shut up and stop complaining about it. People here even said I was in a minority for caring so much about Gaza and that it didn't matter that much

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

As I said, he was trying to end it but without stopping the sale of arms. It's not like Israel even needs any those weapons to starve Palestine.

And when the alternative is Trump who promised to exterminate all Palestinians, yes you should shut up because it made fence sitters not vote for Harris.

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago (9 children)

So he was trying to end it by not withholding the one thing that gave him leverage over the situation?

Listen to yourself

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[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

That’s not the equivalent at all. That’s pro-Zionism, and has been the US party line for decades. Biden even admitted that back in the 1980s.

How on Earth are you equating that to MAGA?

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[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I was, in this very community

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[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago

As Republicans keep shifting to the right, Democrats fill the void just left by Republicans. Democrats are BlueMAGA, the only difference is a Republican will tell us what they are gonna do, then do it. Democrats talk about opposition, but end up enabling right wing policy and lock it in place with their ratchet effect.

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

We need to stop pretending both sides are basically the same. They’re not.

Only lazy, ignorant people who think they are sounding smart say this.

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Liberals I know are spitting in Schumer's face. When Eric Adams committed a crime, he needed to beg maga to help, not "bLuEmAGa". The blue was bringing him to court no matter what. No one loved Biden no one loves a majority of liberal politicians.

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago

Right now they are spitting in Schumer's face but will quickly forget that in a month or so, and will gladly cast a vote for him when he's up for reelection. And anyone bringing up what he's done will be labeled a bot, trying to get Republicans elected, or whatever the current buzz words are.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (3 children)

They really don't. I am a leftist, not a liberal. But i see liberals constantly denounce and get angry at democrats. Bluemaga is not a thing... Of course there are a couple of liberals that defend biden or whatever. There are idiots in every group whether its politics, anime, music, gaming, whatever.

But it's not a THING like with maga. Maga will die for their fuhrer. They believe everything he says. Trump is their hero and savior.

You're being ridiculous on purpose.

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Blue MAGA isn't a thing but "Blue No Matter Who (unless it's Bernie)" is a thing

Oh definitely. And i do get it. Not that i agree but i do get it. When its either 100% or 70% shit, and its the only 2 choices there are, then obviously people will vote for the 70% shit.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

...BlueMAGA...

Oof.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Trump supporters...

It was clear that his campaign was influenced by Project 2025

The document was openly published by a think tank, his campaign embraced it, and yet his supporters thought it wasn’t going to happen.

Well, you are talking about a group that, as a general rule, is not known for being readers per se. Also, they are not known for consuming even token "liberal" corporate outlets, and those companies barely covered Project 2025 as-is.

Before last fall's election, I remember talking to someone that mostly votes Libertarian but will vote Republican and gets much of their "news" via things like Rogan and I brought up Project 2025.

them: "But isn't Project 2025 just a liberal conspiracy theory? C'mon...."

me: "Uh, it's a published thing. You can easily find it, download it, and READ it. It's no 'liberal conspiracy theory'. And don's VP wrote the forward to a book from the architect of Project 2025, so if donvict is trying to distance himself from it, he sure has a funny way of showing it by picking "JD" "Vance" to be his running mate...."

them: "..."

Did they bother to look into this? I'm sure they did not. And I'd bet anything they voted Libertarian for Presidential level and Republican everywhere else they could not find a Libertarian candidate, therefore, helping the Republicans. They vote in Colorado, so their thrown-away vote for the presidential race does not matter, but....

[–] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

It was clear that his campaign was influenced by Project 2025, and he had several of its authors at his inner circle. But he claimed he didn’t know anything about it and for some reason his supporters believed him.

Project 2025 Tracker for anyone interested which shows how much objectives has been implemented from Project 2025 document:

https://www.project2025.observer/

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago
[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

It's pretty simple actually. Do you live in an area where Sinclair controls the local media? It's easy to cast aspersions at these people's intelligence. Pretending like they are somehow working hard to avoid all the evidence and information that we've seen. When the truth of the matter is. They're not avoiding anything. They're simply living in a toxic swamp unaware. Their local broadcast stations telling them how evil Democrats are and how wonderful Trump is. Facts and Truth never really make it to them. And they are denied the ability to be basically informed. Without going against their communities and family. Seeking external information and questioning what everyone else perceives as real.

It's a hell of a trap these cancerous capitalists have managed to erect.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

It's a religious cult type of mental illness. Don't bother looking for logic because you won't be able to find it.

We'll only be able to understand it when we're able to explain why adults continue to believe in religion and fairytales, without evidence.

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I just don’t understand why Trump supporters believe Trump.

Simple. It's because they are tragically stupid people. Don't overthink it.

"I love the poorly educated."

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What a stupid fuck. Genuinely, I’ve got absolutely no sympathy for him. This is reality hitting him in the face at highway speed.

You’re finding out, dipshit. Deal with it.

[–] arsenyv@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

Concepts of thoughts and prayers.

She doge-ed a bullet 😂

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago

Hopefully she vanishes into the system and the POS never gets closure on what happened to her

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

So, donvict was supposed to only take all the other "illegals", I guess.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I know the author is wanting me to feel sympathy for this guy and his son for losing a wife and mother but all I can feel is schadenfreude.

Actions and consequences they buckos.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago

Exactly. He knew Trump would hurt people, and he didn't care. He just thought that other people would be targeted. Typical conservative.

[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago
[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

From the article:

In addition to Muñoz, USA TODAY has confirmed through attorneys, family members and documents that ICE has detained for weeks:

  • a woman in her 30s with proof of valid permanent legal residency,

...

David Rozas, an immigration attorney representing Muñoz, agreed: “Anyone who isn’t a legal permanent resident or U.S. citizen is at risk – period."

Even an immigration attorney can't keep up with how rapidly the fascists are escalating their persecution.

Soon even citizenship won't be enough to stop people who ICE doesn't like the look of from getting deported, if it hasn't happened already.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Soon even citizenship won't be enough to stop people who ICE doesn't like the look of from getting deported, if it hasn't happened already.

Does a ten year old citizen whose parents were undocumented getting thrown out of the US alongside her parents count? Because I saw a news story about that happening recently.

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[–] bradinutah@thelemmy.club 5 points 5 days ago

Whatever excuse they can find to generate big deportation numbers for the Malignant Narcissist in Chief to brag to his racist, fascist base. When they run out of the low hanging fruit of POC at the airport, they'll move on to actual citizens. It's about creating chaos and fear to consolidate more power, not actually making the USA great.

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