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[–] kobra@lemm.ee 96 points 1 week ago

Highest level of fuckup imaginable so far…

[–] HexPat@lemm.ee 88 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Except it’s not. It’s on purpose to avoid required record keeping and FOIA requests. Illegal as hell but here we are.

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 52 points 1 week ago

The fuck up they're referring to is the fact that they accidentally exposed themselves using Signal in the first place.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

FOIA has nothing to do with this.

These are discussions of military operations and our relation to foreign nations. It would basically instantly be considered sensitive for quite some time. Think "years" and it would be pretty trivial to get that bumped up to decades.

This was solely about the convenience of not needing to use a VTC room or the fancy computer in their office (that they probably leave the door unlocked to but...) and possibly being able to show it to russia.

[–] krebssteven@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Read the story. Waltz set parts of the messages to be deleted after a certain time period. That by itself is illegal as hell and does indeed pertain to record keeping requirements and down the line FOIA requests.

[–] fake_meows@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

At least Trump's bathroom doesnt delete the documents.

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 28 points 1 week ago

The ringleader, and President of the United States of America, is a convicted Rapist. They don't give a fuck what you think about them, because you've proven that you'll elect them anyways.

Why would they care? Republicans went on tirades for like... 3 years about "Epstein lists!" even though we knew beyond all doubt that Trump was on those lists, but they somehow don't think he's a pedophile. We know Trump raped "Katie Johnson," a 13 year old girl with Epstein. From his base? Crickets.

They just plain don't fucking care. They're evil people masquerading as non-evil people.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh come on, they're going to have higher levels of fuckup than simply this. Get a better imagination.

[–] iterable@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also isn't it in violation of the freedom of information act?

[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 3 points 1 week ago

The what now?

[–] LonstedBrowryBased@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago

Yep and there will be zero consequences for these clowns

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Fuckup" is an understatement... Inviting the journalist was a fuckup. Intentionally discussing classified information over an external app like Signal is "very fucking illegal".

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

While in Moscow.

Moscow is not a SCIF.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Say incompetence. INCOMPETENCE!

They are scared you'll see their incompetence. They don't care if you see their f**k ups. They don't care if you see their crimes. They don't care if you see their evil.

But they really don't want you to think they're incompetent. Which of course, they are.

Every time they fire somebody and they have to rehire them. INCOMPETENCE

Every time they say they're going to do something and it doesn't get done. INCOMPETENCE.

Oh, believe me, their egos are so fragile, they will pitch a fit.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago
[–] mudmaniac@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

In my heart I feel that there are yet higher levels of fuckup still to be scaled.

Basically, highest level of fsck imaginable SO FAR.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Imagine what the folks in Langley are thinking. The fucking Kremlin is proud of their orange fuck up.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

What?

If this is the worst Pete can imagine, then he should be nowhere near Dem leadership because there are going to be much larger fuckups than this.

We need people who will do more than just react, especially when their reactions are just repeating public opinion.

And if you aren't predicting what they'll do next, all you're doing is reacting.

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

because there are going to be much larger fuckups than this.

I'd prefer to not think about how you could get worst than this. Thanks.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Hate to break it to you but after these ‘lapses’ lead to a new 9/11 your government is going to blame it on Canada and invade. Your people will be on board and write country songs and have freedom gravy fries and nobody is going to stop them.

Millions are going to die because you think, as a culture, again, that you will steamroll. And after the cities are razed and as you guys are mining and pumping the ruins, a million Canadians will cross, with nothing left but hate, thousands of kilometres of open forest border into a world of lootable weapons, identical appearances, and immigrated guerrilla terror.

[–] mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

Which strawman are you yelling at in particular?

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 4 points 1 week ago

Don't get me started with 9/11. The Iraq War was my fucking teenage years.

[–] Tm12@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

Ain’t nobody touching ourtine aka poutine. Pronounced Poo-Tin like a proper Quebecois-Canadien.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’d prefer to not think about how you could get worst than this. Thanks.

Seriously?

This was an accident, you can't imagine they wouldn't trade this kind of info for personal profit?

Like, they've done worse than this even in this situation. The attack was worse than how they planned it or that a journalist was added.

I swear people focus on the dumbest shit to be upset about

It's exactly what fascists always try for, but they need a population willfully ignorant of history for it to work.

Which is why Republicans and neoliberals united for "no child left behind" decades ago, and today's younger generations suffer from "brain rot" that shit was intentional.

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Knowing that this administration is incompetent is enough for me. I'd prefer to not to spend the rest of these four years or god knows how long thinking about the consequences of their incompetence. Let me have some resemblance of peace.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Let me have some resemblance of peace.

So...

You posted this to a political but don't want anyone to talk about politics...

And your plan to do that is to keep replying to people, telling them that you don't want to talk, instead of just not replying? Or better yet just not posting in the first place?

Because I genuinely have no idea what you're doing

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Who do you want to see as democrat leaders?

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not anyone who is affiliated with or worked for McKinsey.

That's an answer about who you don't want as leadership.

The question was who do you want to see as democratic leaders?

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Are you inferring that Buttigieg is a Democratic leader?

In what way? Did he win a Federal election? My understanding was he received a position as trans. Sec for the splitting/ ratfucking he did to to the progressives in 2020.

He's not a leader in the sense that he has been elected to any form of leadership position.

In a democracy, this is how we define what a leader is. We elect them. Appointments to the children's table of cabinet positions don't count. Hillary, for all her faults, at least she did win a Federal election. And her cabinet appointment was material, not a handout for a job done. Even the ag secretary is a much bigger deal than the trans secretary.

Other being constantly elevated as if his voice matters by corporate media, Buttigieg is a basically irrelevant failed candidate whose primary qualification is being a one-time mayor of a college town.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

What I said was ‘Who do you want to see as democrat leaders?’.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The highest fuckup imaginable was reelecting an insurrectionist and hoarder of classified documents, but people hate hearing the truth sometimes.

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[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Hi, just wanted to check in here. Are you familiar with the concept called "hyperbole" and a "figure of speech"? Figurative language is a thing that people use sometimes, and some people say that perhaps he is using that here. Many people are saying that you can say things like this and still imagine worse

Perhaps if you have other issues with him, those should be expressed rather than just taking a statement like this super literally

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Criticism from Democrats is not going to have any effect.

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[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Except… and aside from the legal FOIA issues… I’d rather have them use Signal. It could’ve been Line, Telegram, WhatsApp or any other compromised messenger.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The military and government have an entire separate Internet for exactly these kinds of discussions. The fact that they resorted to a private app at all is illegal.

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sure I get that. Again I’m not defending them. I’m just commending them for their choice of messenger. Illegal or not.

And besides, I believe in FOSS not in closed source, so-called secret developments. When it comes to cryptography and security, open source is the best way to go.

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[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They already decided what they're gonna do about being caught using signal exclusively for communications:

Nothing.

[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh they'll do something: They'll try harder not to get caught.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is right up there with Hillary's hot take.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"👀You've got to be kidding me"

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's always the emoji that rile up the reactionaries...

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[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How to use Signal competently: ALCON - Report to a SCIF

How not to use Signal: I AM THE SCIF NOW

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Couldn't find a SCIF in Moscow.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

Don't worry, before the end of the year we'll get into the

U N I M A G I N A B L E Z O N E

of fuck ups.

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Pete is right. Completely embarrassing.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

hesgeth a military fuckup himself. he also was pissed he wasnt allowed near biden early in his first term.

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