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IANAL, but because this was done on a third party encrypted chat app, doesn't it also violate the federal records act or something? If this was any other administration they would have been launched out of a cannon for that alone, not just the breach in security.
Absolutely. Not to mention that organizing a fucking battle plan on a non-government communications system is fucking insane.
I anal too, but I think as long as they do submit the conversion to the record which they now still can if it didn't self delete, then they're covered. They can also declassify all of it and say "see?" like Trump did with the classified documents he stole for Mar a Lago.
Signal isn't on an approved list, but the federal records act really just said there will be a council headed by an administrator or whatever to make rules and collect the records. So the current administrator, which could be a vacant seat or a MAGA Hat for all I know right now, would be in charge of this, and probably just hand it over to congress.
The messages were set to auto-delete after a week, which imo reduces the likelihood that the messages will be recorded.
No, not for top secret stuff. That needs to be taken to official, secure channels.
I'm not personally into the idea of ANAL, but I like how its simultaneously not classified info, and also they've forbidden the journalist from sharing it further ...because its classified info.
I also ANAL. Those boys done fucked up but likely won't see consequences.
"those boys done fucked up but"
Yes, this is ANAL
Yes. Unless they forwarded them in a secure way immediately. Which there's like zero chance was the plan.
That's why they're using Signal. If this while thing collapses on them, they don't want written records of their criminal conspiracies.
Resign? They should be in jail. They used signal to get around FOIA laws.
Right! Resigning is not enough! If a regular person leaked secrets they would face more damning consequences.
"It's classified" is a nice catch-all excuse to use when you just don't want to answer for your actions.
Trump literally just got finished broadcasting and tweeting about flights that were deporting Venezuelans, topping it off with an "Oopise" taunt. But when he's brought in front of a judge and is expected to answer for that.......Sorry, classified. State secrets.
Trump's team talks about bombing the shit out of Yemen, then goes and bombs the shit out of Yemen. And is now trying to say they didn't talk about anything classified while talking about bombing the shit out of Yemen during a signal chat without even a hint of realization that the entire conversation was classified. Talking about impending war plans IS FUCKING CLASSIFIED BY DEFAULT YOU FUCKING CHODES
Oh, are we "shredding" instead of "slamming" now? An even better idea: acting on it
Why? They LEARNED their Lessons! Unlike HILARYS EMAILS!
The Committee can always ask The Atlantic for the transcripts. I have no doubts they will hand them over.
Every politician in that chat should be impeached. I know it won't remove them from office because the fucking Republicans lose even the pretext of ethics when one of their own is in trouble, but it should still be pushed to a vote.
Its funny because republicans clearly do not give a shit about the rules and will continue to do whatever they want. And the dems made little signs to show they are unhappy. All while murica has fallen!
"Top democrats shout at wall."
No one's picking up the phone morons. It's time for pitchforks.
tulsi is doing what she is told by kremlin.
Why does tulsi choose to look like she steals Dalmatian puppies on the weekends?
Does anyone else find it fucking disgusting that liberals are now mad that Trump is incompetently committing mass murder in the Middle East?
No, it is never disgusting to be against genocide, even if you’re doing it for the wrong reasons.
TBF I think they're saying liberals are only mad because Trump's genocide is incompetent. Like, liberals aren't mad about the actual content of the messages, they're mad that Trump broke the law.
Funny they're saying that because they weren't being mad at the genocide themselves, either, or the people commiting it, they're busy being mad at liberals instead.
Bit of yelling at themselves in the mirror there.
Does anyone find it disgusting that conservatives now AREN'T mad that Obama was incompetently committing mass murder in the Middle East? (Because Trump is now doing the same?)
Personally, and morally, our anger should be towards the people NOT upset at Mass Murder, which as you have explained, isn't liberals.
To be clear, yes, liberals turned a blind eye to this during Obama. But to your point, they aren't now. Trump, instead, is murdering without care, and his base is celebrating it.
A blind eye isn't the same as active support, and MAGA is actively supporting murder. While at worst, liberals still have blinders on.
Personally, I'm not going to spend any time chastising a lesser evil. But many did during our previous elections, which is how Trump got elected both times.
Harris + Isreal being a great recent example. Because no matter how bad Harris was, it's not Trump turning Gaza into a night club.
What disgusting hate should we throw her way about Gaza now that it's targeted for demolision by Trump?
At best, it's wasteful to be so angry at liberals now. At worst, it's stupid, and will keep the people you should be angry at in power to do worse things more frequently as it has for both of Trumps elections.
Does anyone find it disgusting that conservatives now AREN'T mad that Obama was incompetently committing mass murder in the Middle East? (Because Trump is now doing the same?)
I mean hopefully?
To be clear, yes, liberals turned a blind eye to this during Obama. But to your point, they aren't now. Trump, instead, is murdering without care, and his base is celebrating it.
That's not what I'm talking about here. Of course the hypocrisy there is also ridiculous, but that's not what I'm trying to say. My point is: Liberals seem to have more of a problem with the bad opsec than with the actual mass murder. As if competently murdering brown people in the hundreds is somehow better than incompetently murdering them. This is the reaction of people who are only marginally opposed to mass murder.
cope harder, MAGA CHUD.
The hell?
you said:
Does anyone else find it fucking disgusting that liberals are now mad that Trump is incompetently committing mass murder in the Middle East?
this is the absolute worst, least intelligent take someone could make about this situation.
It’s not as if “the left” wouldn’t be upset if they were competently bombing the Middle East. Musk/Trump will have their wars and we will be upset with those.
what i find disgusting, is when MAGA can’t seem to remember the endless campaign against Clinton over an email server, while this gets a shrug from the Presidents and a collective “this is not real!!” from the online MAGA legions.
It’s not as if “the left” wouldn’t be upset if they were competently bombing the Middle East. Musk/Trump will have their wars and we will be upset with those.
That's definitely not the message I'm getting. Trump bombing Yemen gets an "oh well", while leaking information that might gasp prevent him from bombing them as efficiently gets yelling and screeches. By the way liberals are center, not left. I am coming from the left to express my disgust at this shit.
That's definitely not the message I'm getting.
You can’t hear the message if you’re not listening.
I am coming from the left
no, you aren’t. you voted jill stein and therefore, are MAGA. congrats 👍
The fuck? I'm not even from this damn country cut this shit out. You'll call everyone you don't like MAGA until you're forced to line up and worship portraits of your Great Leader at gunpoint.
I'm not even from this damn country
oh even worse, cos playing as a foreigner to wag your finger at American leftists.
pound sand, your opinions hold no weight in this discussion.
This isn't a team sport, these are people's lives. What the hell is wrong with you?
Yes, these are people's lives, and now everyone is mad that Trump is being incompetent about murdering those people. The only sane reaction to a dictator failing to massacre a population is happiness that he's not competent about it. The reactions I'm seeing only imply that liberals are okay with the actual bombing and only mad that Trump is not following opsec. By the way I'm not MAGA; leftists hate liberals too.
By the way I’m not MAGA; leftists hate liberals too.
Uniting around a shared hate of liberals is how the weird leftist/MAGA alliance happened.
It's why leftists give MAGA a free pass on things like genocide.
That's why you prioritize posting about randoms on social media you perceive to be liberals, and not the people dropping the actual bombs.
No one is upset about the incompetence threatening our ability to murder Yemenis, they're attacking them for being incompetent broadly. It could have been plans for arming Ukraine or where our spy satellites are looking and the reaction would be the same: "look at these incompetent MAGAs fucking up governing" with an extra glee at being able to tag it as "national security" that conservatives lean into so heavily.
And they weren't incompetent at murder. The murders went through just fine, because very little of the actual operation was handled by this crowd of idiots and some combination of a US citizen being rightly scared of his government and assuming our murders are justified and should not be hindered.
None of this is to say liberals aren't morally bankrupt about our well oiled murder machine, just that they're not angry about the risk to the murder operation. They don't care one way or another whether some Arabs got murdered. Haven't before and don't now.
just that they're not angry about the risk to the murder operation. They don't care one way or another whether some Arabs got murdered. Haven't before and don't now.
Yeah I know; that's what I was trying to criticize here. They care so little that to them whether Trump goes about it competently or not is more important than the fact that the US military just killed 53 Yemenis. Notice that I said they're okay with it, not that they like it. I guess what's pissing me off is that the people here on the Fediverse were supposed to be (and certainly think of themselves as) better than that.
I read that as the typical finger pointing, it's only okay when our side commits the atrocity, thanks for clarifying.
Umm. What? No. Seriously. Wtf mate?!?
I think mass murder is despicable. Considering the US government had engaged in large scale extra judicial killings for decades (whether red or blue, no fucking difference), my country disgusts me. But, are you legit saying doing so incompentently is the problem? Not the murder. The incompetence.
Touch grass, god damn weirdo.