I'm pretty excited for this feature honestly, I know a lot of games won't use it but still it's gonna be fun.
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Am I the only one thinking that a huge chunk of the initial audience are Nintendo adults who already have a pc for main games and a switch on the side?
Feels like this gimmick (although every new Nintendo console gets one) was so forced just to upsell a switch 1 and justify splitting the community with exclusive releases. Really sad to see mk world not playable with a player base on switch 1. Most next gen were happily bought enough with a reasoning in increasing hardware (which the switch 2 really also does well).
Just the predatory move of splitting or even passively force the playerbase to leave behind the switch 1, makes the mouse sensor so MEH.. I mean.. lackluster in my eyes. Idk
Sure but the switch is 10 year old hardware. You know what else was released at that time? The iPhone 6s....do you currently use an iPhone 6s?
yes lol. I also have a 4070ti though
EDIT: I have no clue where this could be a relevant argument
Yea I use a 2080ti and currently am playing FTL (2012) I have no room to talk lol
I can't wait for it to be a thing that only a small handful of actually good 3rd party titles use that feature and the rest are gonna be 1st party titles shoehorning it in to say "Look at our fancy new feature we swear nobody has ever done before! Trust me!".
I can absolutely see it happen.
Just like the camera!
So... its $50 more than an LCD, 256 GB Steam Deck (the Switch 2 is also LCD).
A Deck has two touchpads that work as mice.
And you can buy a real mouse with those $50 bucks you saved.
Oh right and it has a bigger screen, can run almost every modern to ancient PC game, and basically every retro game if you can handle an EmuDeck or RetroDeck guided installer, oh and it also just is a computer that does everything a mid tier linux laptop can do.
It can even run Switch games, and probably will be able to run Switch 2 games in... what, 2 years? 3 years?
I'm really not trying to rain on the parade here, but uh... yeah I do not understand the cost benefit analysis on a Switch 2 vs a Deck unless:
You really, really want to play Switch 2 games soon
OR
The Switch 2 somehow has vastly superior performance to a Steam Deck
... I kinda doubt that last one being the case, but the specs aren't out yet (afaik) so I guess it is possible.
EDIT: Ok, so uh... tariffs just happened.
Switch 2 may now be $600.
Preorders have been delayed.
Steam Decks are manufactured in Taiwan... so they'll likely jump in price too... but that could possibly be delayed for at least a bit...
I think Valve has warehouses in the US full of them, and they are also a private company with absurdly deep pockets, and thus don't have the 'maximize shareholder profit in current/next quarter' mandate... so they may be able to keep their costs to consumers from raising, by just internally subsidizing them...
But I really have no idea.
From my 12y old kids perspective:
The switch 2 plays fortnite and Mario kart. The steamdeck doesn't.
There is no difficult choice for him.
He doesn't give a fuck about anything else. Neither do his friends.
It’s not just 12 year old kids either; this is how most people in the console market make their decisions. They prioritize the availability of games on the console over the hardware’s specifications and operating system.
Yup. I want to play Prime 4 and DK Bananza at some point. I don't need to play them day 1, but I'll want to play them eventually. And I'll want to play the inevitable Pikmin 5 and Smash Bros 6.
Yeah I think Lemmy often forgets that kids exist and are the target audience for Nintendo games. I say good for them, it might be hella expensive but at least Nintendo appears to be providing a "safe" place for kids to use the internet. There's really nothing for kids anymore these days other than getting an eating disorder on tiktok.
We got the nieces and nephews 3DSes, my brother sideloaded some emulators on them and it has been the best
Problem is, the steam deck plays both of those things. Steam deck just needs windows for fartnight
Yep, I already said the Switch 2 makes sense if all you care about is playing Switch 2 games.
I am not trying to aruge that the Deck is just hands down, inherently superior in all cases, for everyone.
I hope there's a way for you to put parental controls on your 12 yo's Fortnite account's ability to buy microtransactions, and that you have enough time to teach them how to identify and disregard all the dark patterns in the game that encourage irresponsible spending habits, as well as resist all the social peer pressure that comes with an MTX heavy game.
I am a huge proponent of the steam deck but there are a few things you’re kind of leaving out here
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You would be surprised how many people actually don’t have a mouse on hand. But if they do, you do have to calculate that into the cost.
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you need a dock or at least a cheap USB-C dongle unless the only thing you plan on hooking up to the steam deck is your mouse, which would be feasible but unusual.
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The deck is getting a little longer in the tooth. I love it, I use it a ton, but it is definitely starting to show its age.
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It can’t play Nintendo switch/switch 2 games natively, which many people who shit on Nintendo (I am one of those people don’t get me wrong) tend to forget is a pretty huge part of the appeal of Nintendo platforms.
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if you plan on doing Couch multiplayer, the steam deck is really not a viable option compared to the switch unless you invest in a bunch of other stuff
I agree with everything except #5. If you want to play couch multiplayer for the switch with two people you’re set with the tiny joycons. If you want any comfort playing those games you’re investing in at LEAST as many controllers as you have couch players and the same can be said about the deck. But the Deck has options and years of hardware options that are far more inexpensive than the $90 joycons or $80 pro controllers at launch. Given time I’m sure there may be options for the S2 but I think the Deck has far more inexpensive options for multiplayer.
That said, the deck dock is expensive so maybe my argument is entirely moot.
A 10usd Chinese knockoff Bluetooth controller works well enough for multi-player. The true little brother experience is to play with the shitty controller.
For the steam deck, you'd have to buy 2 controllers (potentially both shitty), so the benefit for the switch is still there.
So buy 2 $10 controllers for the steam deck and still save money since the switch costs $50 more to begin with.
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In my local pricing, my 512GB LCD deck was almost 300$ cheaper than the switch 2 lol.
$90 per game. That's an instant deal breaker.
Yeah... I was thinking about getting my first Nintendo console, but these prices are ridiculous even if it's "only" $80 for a digital game.
Bro, Mario 64 is the same game as Mario Sunshine is the same game as Mario galaxy is the same game as Mario Odyssey. Just get a cheaper console. Done.
wait wait wait.
Fucking... what?
... Are they trying to preempt the expected 'GTA 6 MSRPs for $120, base edition and breaks all video game pricing' thing?
I'm seeing $80 for Mario Kart World.
puts on eyepatch and peg leg
$80 digital. $90 physical. With the added spite that the "physical" copy is just a cartridge that loads a code for the game download. It's just a $10 plastic box with an SD card with a download code inside.
It‘s interesting they abandoned physical media completely and nobody is talking about it. This makes them a direct competitor to Steam and well… let‘s just say I don‘t see 90% discounts in the Nintendo shop any time soon.
I don‘t see 90% discounts in the Nintendo shop
Not 1st party sure, but there is a weekly deal cycle where 3rd party publishers compete to stand out.
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Nintendo shop regularly runs deals similar to Steam. Usually at around the same times of year. Same with PlayStation. I run games on all three platforms. You have to be kind of a sucker these days to buy a game at full price when it's first released. But none of what I said makes $80 games reasonably priced.
With the added bonus of Nintendo's notoriously infrequent and shitty sales
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You really, really want to play Switch 2 games soon
Or without having to learn to emulate. Or play coop/multiplayer with the joycons.
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The Switch 2 footage of Elden Ring did look better than what I can get out of my Steam Deck. I wouldn't be surprised if it has a performance advantage (perhaps thanks to native DLSS and frame generation) for the next year or two.
I suggest you check out Decky FrameGen.
The technicals are ... very complex, but the upshot is: It basically injects FrameScaling/FrameGen modes into games that don't officially support them on AMD hardware.
So... I've done this with CP2077, and if I understand this right, basically it injects FSR3, but under the DLSS settings under the game's options menu... and it works better than the game's current officially supported FSR 2 for the Deck.
Elden Ring may also be able to benefit from it.
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It's a funny gimmick but all the competitors already have support mouse and keyboard. You can also use them in some games like Sims 4 or Cities: Skylines.
But guess this mouse mode could also encourage 3rd party developers to add mouse and keyboard support for their games on consoles.
Two words: Mario Paint
Awww yisssss
I mean... A gaming mouse is probably cheaper than the controller alone lol
But that's an alternative, and the games obviously aren't made with that in mind.
This is an integral part of the system and obviously games would specifically work with it.
It's a small game changer (IMO).
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Lol
i can't imagine that will be comfortable to use for any significant amount of time.
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That looks much less comfortable than the way the Lenovo Legion handles it.
...also the pessimist in me is afraid this will result in less games with gyro aiming support...
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Eh?
Conceptually I like the idea.
But even if it isn't uncomfortable to use and has decent DPI? It is going to have the same problem the OG steam controller or even the PS5 adaptive triggers have. If only one platform is going to use an input type then it is not going to be used by any third parties.
Yes, in this case it is two platforms: Switch and PC. But the number of developers who will say "I can make a switch port and only a switch port of my game" are few and far between. They'll once again focus on how to make gamepad work because that gives them ALL the consoles, the Steam Deck, and even helps us olds with RSI.
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