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[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

It’s made even worse when you don’t have a dishwasher.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Dude, for real. Folks: do not take your dishwasher for granted!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

He might just quit!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

I never used a dishwasher regularly until I was like 26. They are soooo goooood.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

This so much. Don't have a dishwasher currently and I spend upwards of 20 minutes a day in front of the sink. Makes my shoulders hurt hunching over like that all the time

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Only 20 minutes?!?! I do have a dishwasher, and I still spend well over 20 minutes hunched in front of the sink cleaning dishes that can't go in the dishwasher every day.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I let my dishwasher decide which dishes can be washed in there. They either survive or they end up in the trash.

No one in hell would I pay premium prices for something that is going to waste my time by requiring pampering.

Same with clothes.

It's all just stuff and I refuse to allow it to control me.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is a pretty silly mindset. I cook every day. I like to use high quality tools for my cooking. That includes high quality kitchen knives. Those shouldn't be dishwashered. It ruins the handles and dulls the blade.

Same with my nice cast iron pans. And wooden cutting boards.

I also have several very large pots/bowls/etc that are just too large to fit in the dishwasher.

The dishwasher is an extremely useful tool, but it's pretty ridiculous to limit what kitchen tools you're willing to use simply because they aren't compatible with another kitchen tool.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Claiming my choices are silly is silly.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Getting a dishwasher was one of the things that has improved my quality of life the most. Even a crappy, cheapo dishwasher like mine will make a big difference.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah, in my student single flat, I didn't had a dishwasher for quite some time.

Couldn't keep up in any way, although this shit kitchen wasn't even up to really cook something big, but hand washing every little thing, really put me off cooking for quite some time.

I think, I re-used the same set of plate and knife for years, just because I didn't want to use up more dishes, that I need to wash...

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I got a countertop dishwasher last year, best 300 ive ever spent. looking forward to having a real dishwasher when I eventually move!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

When you start to level up in life, invest in a mid-tier or above dishwasher. Man that thing has changed my life. We had a dishwasher but it started leaking and caused water damage on the floor. That was a whole headache. Went to buy a new one once the floor was fixed, turns out I had a very basic, entry level dishwasher. It wasn't terrible (until it leaked) but upgrading to a better one, oooh baby, this thing cleans and dries like a dream! Ah such a midlife thrill acquiring an effective dishwasher.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Our struggle is lack of space for a full-size one. We might eventually get an 18” one, but we don’t have a lot of options for where to put it. What was the upgraded model you went with? Those crappy basic “contractor’s special” white ones can be more trouble than they’re worth.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 weeks ago

Truly, this is the most relatable sisyphean trial of modernity.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I read this while cleaning the kitchen.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago

I read this while procrastinating about cleaning the kitchen

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's taken me a while to realise that you don't ever "finish" cleaning up. I'm probably going to die while there are unwashed dishes that I need to do. There will be dirty laundry that needs doing. I will also have things that I've Been Meaning to Get Around To.

Not in a dreary way, but just that this is what it's like going through life. It helps put things in perspective when I realise I'm not actually capable of finishing all my todos. It's just a process that you go through while alive.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I go commando because I just have no underwear while wearing two different socks. They will find me keeled over like this eating in a restaurant. Kitchen dirty of course.

I also don't care.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

This was very frustrating for me when I went through it. I was in a growing phase, trying to get my life on tracks, and I HATED that I could never have all my clothes I love to wear washed while still being able to wear them. Obvious, I know. But it really wasn’t something I had encountered before, because I never really cared about keeping things tidy.

It’s funny that once you decide you want things tidy, you realize they never truly will be.

You can clean up all the cans, but you will crack another.

You can do all the laundry, you gotta wear it

You can clean the plates, still gotta eat off of them

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

The biggest culprit to a dirty kitchen is someone that has never heard the phrase "if you got time to lean, you got time to clean". My wife hates this philosophy, but when I'm done cooking and ready to plate, the kitchen is spotless. It must be witchcraft!

[–] [email protected] 81 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The phrase is used to shame people for taking amy breaks at work, which is why people tend to hate it.

Cleaning as you go (if time is available) does result in a lot less work at the end and more about efficiency than laziness. For meals that create a lot of dishes, having someone else clean as you go is even better than puttibg it all on to cook!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I wish my kitchen was just a little bit bigger lol. My fiance gets mad when I'm all up in her space, kitchen is off limits when she's cooking.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We have had only tiny kitchens and it did take a decade to get the dance down to both be productive in the same space when making some meals. Opening the oven involves an announcement and a confirmation!

There are a few where she needs all the space and I just clean up after. Most of mine have breaks in between steps where I can clean things as I go.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

It's one of the reasons I hate having one person cook and the other clean


the incentives are misaligned, and it just breeds bad habits and reckless cooking IMHO. If you do both cooking and cleaning, you'll hopefully learn to clean as you go.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah you gotta do it straight away or very soon after. I try to wash dishes as we go but anything left, if we're watching TV over dinner or whatever, I pause that after we eat and go wash the remaining dishes. Otherwise they aren't going to get done

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Mine isn't usually spotless because when it's time to eat it's time to eat, but I always clean as I go. Everything I do in the kitchen starts with a piping hot sink of soapy water.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

My wife hates this philosophy, but when I’m done cooking and ready to plate, the kitchen is spotless.

You know, I'm firmly of the philosophy that a big part of being a good chef is sweeping up behind yourself as you go. Minimizing the volume of cookware and number of appliances I use is also important.

But come on, dude. You're not wiping splattered oil off a hot stove unless you're a masochist. That cast-iron isn't getting touched until it's had time to cool down.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

I absolutely despise the patronizing and bellittling nature of that phrase, and the tone it is usually delivered in...

... But at the same time... cleaning as you cook a complex meal with multiple steps and lots of involved cookware... really really does cut down on overall time spent in the kitchen, and makes for an actually usable and sanitary kitchen.

Worst case scenario, you've got everything but the final used cookware soapily soaking in the sink when you serve and eat... and then right after you eat, you rinse and dry those off, and then clean the final stage cookware and serving plates/utensils.

If you don't have the time or energy to handle cooking and cleaning a complex meal... you don't have the time and energy to just cook it, and then be overwhelmed later by the accumulation of 'dish cleaning debt'.

...

It can be somewhat challenging to learn how to cook and clean at the same time, and avoid getting soap into your food or visa versa... but it is by no means impossible, and is a huge time saver... and you can feel proud of yourself for legitimately learning an extremely useful life skill.

If you just set a rule for yourself or your apartment or house that ... there should basically never be any dishes left in the sink for over an hour... you avoid the massive pile up of dishes and always being overwhelmed and avoiding them... because your rule basically enforces breaking things down into cleaning smaller amounts of dishes at a time, and it also forces the generally positive experience of cooking and eating to be integrated with the generally negative experience of cleaning dishes.

...

I have, waaaay too many times, lived with people who just pile up dishes somehow in the sink and dishwasher, such that it becomes an actual biohazard (I mean it, rotting food and mold, swarms of flies in a sink that hasn't been cleaned in two weeks or more, nobody can even remember if the dishes in the dishwasher are all clean, all dirty, or a mix of both)...

...and that means if you wanna cook anything with a commonly used piece of cookware, ok, now you gotta pull it out of the ratsnest in the sink, hope nobody threw any knives in there to cut your hands on, and get an infection from the festering biohazard... and then also you must now somehow clean this cookware while the sink is completely full.

Which means you have to just clean the entire sink to begin to be able to clean the major cookware you need to begin to cook the food.

...

Hell, the solution that ended up working best for me was to just also throw on a 'no dishwasher' rule.

Force yourself to associate the actual cleaning cost with whatever you are cooking... and the result was that I ended up with a mental health affirming regular structured rule/habit, that I actually ended up genuienly enjoying, as another source of 'i actually accomplished something today'... as well as basically ingraining a better subconscious ability to understand what level of cooking complexity I actually had the energy to prepare.

If you find yourself being often overwhelmed by what you want to make... learn to make simpler recipes, get a rice cooker or crockpot and just have basically a constant supply of something approximating a stew, get an airfryer or toaster oven for rapidly heating up smaller portions, salads are great for you and often have a pretty low prep time.

Save the dishwasher for actual schedule emergencies and hosting an occasional get together or party.

...

Basically, treat dishes as credit card debt.

Pay that shit off ASAP, otherwise, it'll snowball into disaster.

Remove the 'i can handle the dishes/pay this off later' from your mental approach to it, directly associate all the costs together in a very near time frame.

...

tldr; that saying needs a makeover or rebrand.

Maybe:

Clean as you go, dish pile don't grow.

something like that? I am not really a ... sloganeer.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Clean the toilet. Leave for 3 weeks, toilet hasn’t been used. Come back and the bowl is dirty.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The call is coming from in the house.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

You got hard water?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The kitchen exists as a place where you can make a mess and quickly clean it up.

Imagine trying to do all the stuff you do in your kitchen, but in your living room or bedroom?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That was my thought. If you take your take out to the couch directly you don’t need to clean the kitchen. #life hack

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

I have just learned to be at peace with a certain amount of squalor.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

...and folding clothes! That's how you know you're alive 😅

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Only if you want things clean. No one says it needs to be clean but you.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Always keep your kitchen and bathroom clean, boys.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

I want true cleaning hacks. I just got a dishwasher last week for the first time in my life and it's a huge time saver. What else is like that? The most common sense of course is putting things away after you use them, and another hack is cleaning the kitchen before bed, but what else? Does wiping down the shower every time I use it help? Should I get a used roomba? Are there any roomba-type-objects that mop? Give me the knowledge please.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

When I cook I follow the restaurant kitchen principle of cleaning as you go, meaning constantly clear your workspace and clean your essential tools so they're immediately ready. When you get an inspiration to cook, nothing deflates it like finding you have 20 minutes of work to do first, or that the special utensil or machine you only have one of needs soaking to get the crusty dried crud off it.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Have kids, the floor has to be cleaned every day throughout the house.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Have kids and an incontinent cat, and despair.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Any day now I'll catch up on getting that sucker finally clean.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

With kids it's so much worse. I clean the entire kitchen at least 3 times a day, usually more.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Make it a goal. Make it a hobby to clean. Put on some great music and clean away. Then, when you are of old age and looking back at that nice clean......filthy f##k'n kitchen, you clean it again.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

You own the kitchen, or the mice own it and you just have a timeshare.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

A skillful S-tier parent will make their children do all these tasks eventually. I haven't managed this yet, but I've seen parents who have.

It's an amazing sight to behold. I manage to do it perhaps once a month.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If only Doordash would also clean your kitchen!

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

I'm living alone again for the first time since I was 22. I brought back my old ways. I use the same dishes every day, and wash as I go. One fork, one knife, one spoon, a plate, a bowl, a glass, etc. They sit rinsed-off in the sink till I need them, then I quickly wash what I need, and use it, and put it back in the sink.

Much better than filling a dishwasher every few days, then having to run it and put the dishes away.

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