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[–] [email protected] 57 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think an alarming number of Gen Z internet folks find it funny to skew the results of anonymous surveys.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, what is it with GenZ? Millenials would never skew the results of anonymous surveys

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The LLM peddlers seem to be going for that exact result. That's why they're calling it "AI". Why is this surprising that non-technical people are falling for it?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (13 children)

That's why they're calling it "AI".

That's not why. They're calling it AI because it is AI. AI doesn't mean sapient or conscious.

Edit: look at this diagram if you're still unsure:

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What is this nonsense Euler diagram? Emotion can intersect with consciousness, but emotion is also a subset of consciousness but emotion also never contains emotion? Intelligence does overlap at all with sentience, sapience, or emotion? Intelligence isn’t related at all to thought, knowledge, or judgement?

Did AI generate this?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

https://www.mdpi.com/2079-8954/10/6/254

What is this nonsense Euler diagram?

Science.

Did AI generate this?

Scientists did.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not everything you see in a paper is automatically science, and not every person involved is a scientist.

That picture is a diagram, not science. It was made by a writer, specifically a columnist for Medium.com, not a scientist. It was cited by a professor who, by looking at his bio, was probably not a scientist. You would know this if you followed the citation trail of the article you posted.

You’re citing an image from a pop culture blog and are calling it science, which suggests you don’t actually know what you’re posting, you just found some diagram that you thought looked good despite some pretty glaring flaws and are repeatedly posting it as if it’s gospel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

You’re citing an image from a pop culture blog and are calling it science

I was being deliberately facetious. You can find similar diagrams from various studies. Granted that many of them are looking at modern AI models to ask the question about intelligence, reasoning, etc. but it highlights that it's still an open question. There's no definitive ground truth about what exactly is "intelligence", but most experts on the subject would largely agree with the gist of the diagram with maybe a few notes and adjustments of their own.

To be clear, I've worked in the field of AI for almost a decade and have a fairly in-depth perspective on the subject. Ultimately the word "intelligence" is completely accurate.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

In the general population it does. Most people are not using an academic definition of AI, they are using a definition formed from popular science fiction.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (5 children)

The I implies intelligence; of which there is none because it's not sentient. It's intentionally deceptive because it's used as a marketing buzzword.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You don't have to be tech person to see through bullshit. Any person with mid level expertise can test the limits of the current LLM capabilities. It can't provide consistently objectively correct outputs. It is still a useful tool though.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Same generation who takes astrology seriously, I’m shocked

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

An alarming number of them believe that they are conscious too, when they show no signs of it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago

I wish philosophy was taught a bit more seriously.

An exploration on the philosophical concepts of simulacra and eidolons would probably change the way a lot of people view LLMs and other generative AI.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago

Lots of people lack critical thinking skills

[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Lots of attacks on Gen Z here, some points valid about the education that they were given from the older generations (yet it's their fault somehow). Good thing none of the other generations are being fooled by AI marketing tactics, right?

The debate on consciousness is one we should be having, even if LLMs themselves aren't really there. If you're new to the discussion, look up AI safety and the alignment problem. Then realize that while people think it's about preparing for a true AGI with something akin to consciousness and the dangers that we could face, we have have alignment problems without an artificial intelligence. If we think a machine (or even a person) is doing things because of the same reasons we want them done, and they aren't but we can't tell that, that's an alignment problem. Everything's fine until they follow their goals and the goals suddenly line up differently than ours. And the dilemma is - there's not any good solutions.

But back to the topic. All this is not the fault of Gen Z. We built this world the way it is and raised them to be gullible and dependent on technology. Using them as a scapegoat (those dumb kids) is ignoring our own failures.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Not the fault of prior generations, either. They were raised by their parents, and them by their parents, and so on.

Sometime way back there was a primordial multicellular life form that should have known better.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (4 children)

The main point here (which I think is valid despite my status as a not in this group Gen Z) is that we're still like really young? I'm 20 dude, it's just not my or my friends fault that school failed us. The fact it failed us was by design and despite my own and others complaints it's continued to fail the next generation and alpha is already, very clearly struggling. I really just don't think there's much ground to argue about how Gen Z by and large should somehow know better. The whole point of the public education system is to ensure we well educate our children, it's simply not my or any child's fault that school is failing to do so. Now that I'm an adult I can, and I do push for improved education but clearly people like me don't have our priorities straight seeing who got elected...

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 days ago (3 children)

This is an angle I've never considered before, with regards to a future dystopia with a corrupt AI running the show. AI might never advance beyond what it is in 2025, but because people believe it's a supergodbrain, we start putting way too much faith in its flawed output, and it's our own credulity that dismantles civilisation rather than a runaway LLM with designs of its own. Misinformation unwittingly codified and sanctified by ourselves via ChatGeppetto.

The call is coming from inside the ~~house~~ mechanical Turk!

[–] TheKMAP 10 points 5 days ago

They call it hallucinations like it's a cute brain fart, and "Agentic" means they're using the output of one to be the input of another, which has access to things and can make decisions and actually fuck things up. It's a complete fucking shit show. But humans are expensive so replacing them makes line go up.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 days ago (3 children)

They also are the dumbest generation with a COVID education handicap and the least technological literacy in terms of mechanics comprehension. They have grown up with technology that is refined enough to not need to learn troubleshooting skills past "reboot it".

How they don't understand that a LLM can't be conscious is not surprising. LLMs are a neat trick, but far from anything close to consciousness or intelligence.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago (12 children)

It's likely they don't know what the word "conscious" means

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

In fairness, the word "conscious" has a range of meanings. For some, it is synonymous with certain religious ideas. They would be alarmed by the "heresy". For others, it is synonymous to claiming that some entity is entitled to the same fundamental rights as a human being. Those would be quite alarmed by the social implications. Few people use the term in a strictly empiricist sense.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

An alarming number of people can't read over a 6th grade level.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (15 children)

That's a matter of philosophy and what a person even understands "consciousness" to be. You shouldn't be surprised that others come to different conclusions about the nature of being and what it means to be conscious.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Consciousness is an emergent property, generally self awareness and singularity are key defining features.

There is no secret sauce to llms that would make them any more conscious than Wikipedia.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

I checked the source and I can't find their full report or even their methodology.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I wasn't aware the generation of CEOs and politicians was called "Gen Z".

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I’ve been hearing a lot about gen z using them for therapists, and I find that really sad and alarming.

AI is the ultimate societal yes man. It just parrots back stuff from our digital bubble because it’s trained on that bubble.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

to be honest they probably wish it was conscious because it has more of a conscience than conservatives and capitalists

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

An Alarming Number of Anyone Believes Fortune Cookies

Just ... accept it, superstition is in human nature. When you take religion away from them, they need something, it'll either be racism/fascism, or expanding conscience via drugs, or belief in UFOs, or communism at least, but they need something.

The last good one was the digital revolution, globalization, world wide web, all that, no more wars (except for some brown terrorists, but the rest is fine), everyone is free and civilized now (except for those with P*tin as president and other such types, but it's just an imperfect democracy don't you worry), SG-1 series.

Anything changing our lives should have an intentionally designed religious component, or humans will improvise that where they shouldn't.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

An alarming number of Hollywood screenwriters believe consciousness (sapience, self awareness, etc.) is a measurable thing or a switch we can flip.

At best consciousness is a sorites paradox. At worst, it doesn't exist and while meat brains can engage in sophisticated cognitive processes, we're still indistinguishable from p-zombies.

I think the latter is more likely, and will reveal itself when AGI (or genetically engineered smart animals) can chat and assemble flat furniture as well as humans can.

(On mobile. Will add definition links later.) << Done!

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