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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

You don't get it bro. Capitalism is awesome, because i'm above in the social hierarchy! Under socialism i would just be a normal peasant.

... What do you mean, it's unfair for everyone else? Fuck'em. ~~/s poes law n shit~~

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

the fucking horrifying thing is that even people who are actively and obviously being harmed by capitalism will defend it, and if you keep refuting their arguments they just start panicking because they haven't actually thought about it, they just know they have to support the status quo at all costs.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I have had conversations with my semi wealthy friends about this crap many times over the years.

The best was when I told one of them once that one of the possible solutions to wealth inequality was in instituting a maximum wealth while also providing minimum wealth through a universal income.

His counter argument to that was it would remove all the incentive for everyone to want to amass a fortune for themselves. He argued that if someone limited his wealth, he would no longer be motivated to want to do more ..... but he countered that by trying to convince me that it wasn't all about the money. He said that everyone should be free to get as much money as they want without limits because that is what drives human progress. As well as the usual argument that if you gave free money to people, then they would be less likely to want to do anything for themselves, for others or for society.

All coming from a individual with about a million dollars worth of wealth. Perfectly comfortable for themselves but can't stand to see others with any support because he never got any .... except for his semi wealthy parents who gave him a great start in life.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"And why do you want all that wealth? Does it give you happiness? Why do you feel the need to hoarde more? If living comfortable isnt enough, perhaps sharing it would give you value in your life that you desperately need." Would be my response.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

it would remove all the incentive for everyone to want to amass a fortune for themselves

Like... That's the point?

everyone should be free to get as much money as they want without limits because that is what drives human progress

I love when they say this because it is the obvious projection of a greedy mind. Like no, it doesn't drive human progress, it actually stifles it as the greedy do all in their power to maintain their profit streams, which includes frustrating the development of competition.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

It's funny because it's true.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

people around here like to blame the nebulous concept of "capitalism" for all the world's problems instead of focusing on the actual causes of those problems: billionaires and corporations using their massive wealth to stiffle competition, bribe governments, harm those beneath them for their own entertainment, and otherwise inflate their own wealth even further. What part of this is unique to capitalism? Furthermore, what aspects of communism that are actually beneficial to the common man are exclusive to communism, and couldn't be implemented in to a capitalist system through changes in poliicy?

governments and economies are machines that require frequent cleaning and maintenance. Any government, lacking sufficient care, will decay into fascism. Look at the us currently.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

"The problem isn't capitalism, it's just all the stuff capitalism allows and encourages people to do!"

If anything, your idea of what the problem is, is incredibly more nebulous. There's no analysis or understanding, just "bad people do bad stuff."

Furthermore, what aspects of communism that are actually beneficial to the common man are exclusive to communism

Are we talking about communism (economic system) or communists (ideological justification for state capitalism used by 20th century authoritarian states), because the differences between the economic system of communism and capitalism are pretty clear.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Capitalism isn't that nebulous, we can start with the basic wikipedia definition:

Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their use for the purpose of obtaining profit.[a] This socioeconomic system has developed historically through several stages and is defined by a number of basic constituent elements: private property, profit motive, capital accumulation, competitive markets, commodification, wage labor, and an emphasis on innovation and economic growth. Capitalist economies tend to experience a business cycle of economic growth followed by recessions

Now what's the central problem here? I'd say it's definitely capital accumulation. The problem is that capital is power, and it has a strong tendency to grow exponentially. Once capital becomes concentrated enough, it will subvert the government via bribery and any democracy via privatized propaganda. From an anarchist perspective it's just another unjust power structure, but veiled behind layers of false meritocracy and false consent.

If you make it impossible for private individuals or organizations to accrue large amounts of capital, you effectively no longer have capitalism but you may still have a market economy.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Your listening to a recycle bin? Why a recycle bin?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because they just keep recycling the same tired arguments

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

but are the arguments trash, too?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Goes to the same dumpster through glorified channels

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

clears throat

Markets are not evil in and of themselves.

Concentrated capital and poor market controls lead to unfair outcomes.

Markets can be an efficient way of distributing goods, even under socialist structures.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

capitalism =/= markets

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I like to link to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism because without the people who abuse the system, it would be a lot better. We need to close these loopholes, but of course rich people have the money to keep them open or find new ones.

Removing loopholes that the cronies exploit and removing tax havens, etc (other tax loopholes) would (in my opinion) make leave us in a much better state that we currently are in.

We hate crony capitalism not just capitalism on its own I believe.

Edit: hope this isnt recycled

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Read the sub name fam

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

no, no we hate capitalism around these parts

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Nah. I even googled it:

Capitalism is an economic system characterized by private ownership of the means of production, where goods and services are produced and distributed based on market competition and profit motives

As such, I have no problems with capitalism. But with sick fucks who think they absolutely need another golden car and a yacht at a price of ruines lives (human and not human alike) - those must be brought to extinction, preferably fast

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Private ownership of means of production has led to all the atrocities that Nestle has committed. You need to start having a problem with capitalism because unless you’re a billionaire, it’s not your friend

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No, sick dumb fucks are my enemy, if you wish to see this in friend/foe paradigm. Capitalism or not, they will find a way to fuck everything around them, since it's what they do. Or do I need to remind you that oh-so-very-not-capitalistic-soviet-union-china-and-others are also a pile of shit, just different flavour?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I’m an anarchist, not a tankie. All right then, keep sucking those boots.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Ah, so all systems are shit and there is no hope for a better one. You're a nihilist!

Anyways, would be pretty cool to live in a system that discourages hoarding and excess, or at least doesn't benefit it, rather than encouraging it. Neither capitalism nor state socialism have achieved that one.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sick fucks will always rise to the top under capitalism.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

there's positives from it and negatives. stuff like large wealth inequalities can be easily fixed with progressive tax rates. it all depends on how its done

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

by the time you fix all the problems, it's straight up, not capitalism anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

oh hey i use that same image for my catch-all hiphop playlist!

i love it, but the folks i send it to seem not to enjoy aesop rock and danny brown in such close proximity 😕

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ooh, I’m a fan of Aesop Rock and Danny Brown in close proximity 👀 what else you got on there?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I've never seen anyone on lemmy actually defend capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (18 children)

There is someone doing it in this very thread. But yeah, Lemmy is, fortunately, quite left-wing

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

I got a couple replies just today in which people were defending capitalism. Post harder? 😛

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