Remember gang, articles require conservatives to flip in the house and senate, and his poll numbers are still high with the Republican bases of those house and senate folks.
This will make noise, which is nice, but it’s not going anywhere.
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I like it a whole lot more than the Dems standing around with their thumbs up their asses. It probably won't go anywhere, but at least make some fucking noise.
Assuming all democrats in the House vote to impeach, it will take 4 republicans joining them to reach the 50% threshold to succeed. That could honestly be doable. The Senate is another story. It would take 20 republicans to vote with all the democrats and independents to reach the 67% needed to convict. Not impossible, but a profoundly uphill battle.
Call your reps, protest, make noise. As long as the republicans think that Trump's hordes will keep them in office for supporting him, they won't cave. If we can convince them that the MAGA loons will not be enough to get them reelected and keep their cushy jobs, they'll flip. They are not loyal to Trump, they are afraid of him.
The problem is, in what way would all the senators be threatened if they don’t vote against?
Because I guarantee that trump’s administration has dirt on every single one of them.
Just like the last 2 times.
Well, the last two times the Dems controlled the house. So this won’t even get off the ground.
It's possible for it to make it through the house, but the Senate definitely won't remove him.
I want to have hope. I sincerely do.
Well, Republicans all completely fell in line with Trump after Elon said he'd primary anyone who didn't
Then, Elon outspent the other candidate in the Wyoming supreme court election like 10:1 and still lost. There's talk his involvement hurt more than helped. The very next day Trump said Elon has to go back to his businesses soon
No member of Congress can go out in public without being screamed at to do something. Historically conservative districts are flipping in special elections. Musk's money is useless, Trump's endorsement means less by the day, and even the oligarchs are getting nervous about Trump
Very few politicians are actually loyal to Trump, most are in it for themselves. There's reason for some hope... The pressure is already high. Imagine how bad it'll be in a few weeks, when people start seeing supply chain shortages on the shelves...
Wisconsin Supreme Court. Nobody actually lives in Wyoming.
Elon said he'd primary anyone who didn't
That sort of infighting would lead to a blue blowout in the midterms so bring it on
Not gonna go anywhere, but it's good to get their effort on record. Republicans can own the shitshow.
That's exactly how I feel. Years from now, the articles of impeachment will exist, along with the Republicans inactivity. Not that it will mean anything if we are all dead, but at least there was an attempt.
I don't know if this will be useful if we ever have Nuremberg-type trials, showing republicans were negligent?
Again? We all know this is pointless, grand standing. They would have to get enough republicans on board, and that just isn't going to happen. It is pretty fully the party of Trump now.
The public:
Democrats, do something!
Democrats, doing something.
The public:
This is just pointless grandstanding!
This isn't doing something. This is just signaling. They know along with everyone else that it will fail. This is pretending to do something in order to seem like you're doing something.
What specifically would you like them to do?
Not saying you're wrong, but curious here.
Don’t keep voting to approve his nominees, for one. Put a hold on each and every one of them. Vote against all of the laws the republicans are putting through congress. Filibuster everything. Basically, act like the republicans have since 1992.
They could start with that.
Most of that still won't do anything because they don't have the numbers (like articles of impeachment). The house needs 4 Republicans to go against the pack to hit 50%.
I'm not saying it's not worth doing, but FlexibleToast was saying that all of that is posturing and won't accomplish anything.
The answer is that Democrats can't directly do anything, which was what the person you responded to was alluding to.
Honestly, I don't even think it's posturing. I fully expect that not even every democrat would vote for this impeachment. With Maga Mike Johnson as the leader, it won't even make it to the floor. It's less than posturing. It's pointless, and it's just to grab the headline like this. An impeachment of a president has historically resulted in exactly 0 convictions. Trump brags about being vilified, it's just feeding into his narrative.
Their efforts would be far better spent finding better candidates and embracing progressive ideas that would actually win. Go canvas for what those policies are and figure out your messaging. Figure out how to win and take some power back instead of these powerless moves. If they keep just attacking Trump, they'll just keep entrenching the people that voted for him. It will validate the voters' belief that the democrats don't have their own path forward that will better their lives.
And what legal alternatives do they have? Or what are you suggesting Democrats in the Senate / House do?
I dunno, there is still hope that some of the lesser republicans can’t afford Trump and are willing to sell out for a better market. I’m not holding my breath either haha
I'm hoping the defense contractors who are losing billions in cancelled contracts will take care of the problem. Or maybe the cartels.
There’s a big list of people. Don’t fuck with the money.
The Democrats in office can't do shit. There are not enough of them. Democrats cannot filibuster the president's appointments because they themselves removed the filibuster rule on appointments below the level of the Supreme Court back in 2013. They could use the filibuster on some bills, but you'd have to get all of the dems to vote in lock-step like the republicans do. Good luck with that considering how many democrats are only democrats in name so they could get elected in their districts and then they vote with the republicans more often than not.
If you want change, you need to convince the republicans in office that they are going to lose their jobs. They do not support Trump because they necessarily agree with him, they do it because, as Murkowski has publicly admitted, they are afraid of him. We voters need to rally, make noise, and make them afraid of us. There are not enough MAGA voters to keep the republicans in office if enough of the rest of us actually show up to vote. We voters need to convince them that they will be out of their cushy jobs if they don't stop this lunatic.
That's why they need to be thinking long-term, not reactionary. They need to be looking inward and ousting the ghouls in their leadership. Find actual progressive issues that the majority of people want. Focus on winning the midterms and taking away the majority from the republicans.
Instead, it sounds like they've learned nothing. They refuse to look inward and want to appeal to their big donors. Continuing to embrace the same moderate policies that lost the presidency, the house, and the senate. They refuse to acknowledge the big tent item that binds the majority of us. The owner class is fucking over the labor class.
Yep.
I can't imagine putting myself into a situation where I had to fear someone as ineffectual as Trump.
His slathering hordes are something to be reasonably afraid of. Also, he did nearly manage to overthrow our government and did manage to get himself reelected four years later. He may be more effective that you think.
He's not ineffectual at being a cult leader with a rabid following, and he controls the DoJ
They're not scared of Trump personally doing anything to them.
Bring it! Horribly overdue!