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It's strange, or? Where we normal people are trying to get on with our lives, our government decides to wage war with some other country, where normal people are also just trying to get on with their lives.
No one wants war, besides people selling missiles, bombs, tanks, guns, etc
There are far more that want war. Even people that would have nothing to gain but everything to lose from a war.
Send them to the front and let the problem solve itself.
The issue lies with where the sentiment comes from. Most of the time it originates from politicians who, unable to solve local problems, choose to demonize a part of society or another country in order to get away with their failures and the riches/power this enables them to grab.
As part of the constitution that was imposed on them when the US rebooted their government following WWII, Japan can't activate its military except in self defense.
Their politicians have been complaining about that and trying to get rid of it for decades now, but in my opinion every country should have such a provision. Any sane politician claims they wouldn't use the military unless someone else attacked first, so why give them the option at all?
Well, we see plenty of examples of "self defense" being proclaimed rather broadly. For instance Germany justified its participation in the NATO occupation of Afghanistan as "defending our freedom at the Hindu Kush", because there is a self defense provision in the constitution. Otherwise creating some false-flag to justify "self defense" is also a standard tactic employed since centuries if not millennia.
I don't think the people who sell or make weapons want/provoke war (especially), it's always the dictators or autocrats who do it. Always. Always. Always.
The people who make and sell weapons absolutely do want war. Nations at war need to keep replenishing their stockpiles whereas nations at peace burn through much less. You can use a tank many times in drills but when it's blown up for real, you aren't reusing it.
The dictators and autocrats also want war, but they have their own reason: war distracts people from issues at home. If they can't have a real war, they manufacture an internal enemy instead. Sometimes they do both.
So swedish SAAB is actively trying to provoke wars around the world?
What about BAE systems?
Yeah not really. Or show me proofs of the the reverse.
Or is it the old USA bad + conspiracy theories?
I said want, not provoke. Getting caught actively provoking war would instantly end a corporation in many jurisdictions. I have no proof of them doing that, but I also wouldn't be surprised if some do. SAAB? Probably not. American ones at least can easily affect policy by financing politicians, particularly presidents.
So you're just discussing in bad faith here. How the hell do you know the CEO (or the management) "wants" war but does not want to "provoke war"? Are you a mind reader?
Or are you one of those people thinking we shouldn't have an army?
I also notice the "USA BAD" bias, what about russia, they do want war and provoke it.
Mate I'm Estonian, Russia is bad by default, it doesn't even need discussion. You don't think Russian military industry CEOs and owners didn't cream their pants when Putin invaded Ukraine again? Chemezov is super happy about it for one, he's also very happy that western companies are no longer competing with him on the Russian market.
The CEOs of military industrial companies, like any other CEOs, are going to make more money if the company's numbers are better. If a war happening in bumfuck nowhere doubles the Christmas bonus of one of those bloodsuckers, you bet they'll cheer for it. It's not like war affects them personally. And it's hella fucking profitable.
I'm not anti military spending, I'm anti capitalists profiting from bloodshed. Military industry shouldn't be profitable. It should be nationalised.
I'm swedish so I know the history.
I just hate this stupid fearmongering about military spending. We should spend more nowadays, so this whole narrative that some hidden kabal is provoking wars is just bad for everyone IMO. And yes it's disgusting that CEOs gets bonuses because they sell more weapons, but we want them to make them so that we can buy them, it's IMO not the other way around.
It's absolutely what putin would love BTW, "lets shut down those war hawks' businesses!" narrative.
But I think you and I might be on the same side when it comes down to it, or so I feel.
Cheers and fuck russia
I'm not against either of our countries increasing military spending either, I'm just disgusted that a bunch of people are getting rich off people dying. Hence my idea that weapons manufacturing should be a public industry, not a for-profit one. European nations could still collaborate too. Not everyone needs to make everything.
Do you know the Eisenhower speech?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower%27s_farewell_address
of course they will never come out and say it. Are you incredibly naive?
Well putin and his clique sure does.
No need to be insulting, I mean if you have arguments.
From a solely pessimistic point of view, you're right to be scared. This is a war between two nuclear powers and it can get real ugly in the worst case scenario.
But as long as it's kept a strategic war focused on border bickerings and damaging each other's economic ability, civilians should be safe in the most part.
I'd recommend channeling the fear into activism towards peace. If you are willing and able, get together with others and pressure your government with large protests against the war. If not, then stay safe.
Civilians live at the borders too though
I hope you and your loved ones stay safe and well.
I'm sorry this is happening to you. There's too much war in the world and not enough leaders that act responsibly. Hope you stay safe, internet stranger-friend.
May I ask where in India you live?
A don't really have a whole lot of insight or comforting words, but I have to admit that my scandinavian ass is leaning towards "It's not the first time. Cooler heads tend to prevail"
Capital of India:Delhi. No too far away or close to the border. But it's capital so yeah I am scared.
Wish you a lot of strength and hope you stay safe! It’s understandable that you’re concerned and scared, as this is a dangerous situation. Wish I could say anything else but just want you to know that I hope this will be over soon and cause no more suffering or losses.
Was there a formal declaration? Was there escalation? Just trying to understand what changed since yesterday
Not yet, but seemingly Pak is interested in escalations.
India bombed their country. "Pak" either goes to war or they keep doing it.
Yes, I am sure Pakistan is dying to participant in a full blown out war. You are so right dude.
Always thought WW3 would be the USA russia or china launching the first nuke.. hope these two knuckleheads can keep their radioactive dicks in their pants so the rest of the world doesnt go down with them..
Interestingly, India-Pakistan war was one of the top WWIII scenarios mentioned in the movie War Games (1983) - #8: https://ww31987.wordpress.com/2022/03/05/wargames-joshuas-nuclear-war-scenarios-1-59/
Would a nuclear exchange between these two countries drag the rest of the nuclear powers into the conflict?
Who knows? I figure wars often lead to unexpected results.
China sure won't sit by while people are lobbing nukes at countries on their borders.
They're not NATO countries, so I doubt it
Been 25 years since the last one, ask China to stop paying them.
We're all here for you every step of the way.
Sorry for you 😔
Ugh, I'm sorry. It feels like the whole world is coming apart at the seams. My country did some terrible things recently, but I hope we will all trend in a better direction soon.
Good luck, im sending you strength and courage for the times to come. As others may have said, you might want to look for communities and association, and people in general : solidarity can be crucial in hard times
india is so badly governed that it is sad. once a country of mystery and spices, now a very backwards dirty place. i really have no clue what could make india grow in things like equality. does india at least understand the annex of kashmir was not in the interest of the people that live there but the decision of one ruler only? this is not going to end well for india. but i am sure modi knows best,lol
once a country of mystery and spices
That comes across as a bit orientalist, friend
india is so badly governed that it is sad. once a country of mystery and spices, now a very backwards dirty place. i really have no clue what could make india grow in things like equality.
Well, they had great teachers, the british empire taught them well.
आपने दिल्ली का ज़िक्र किया, इसलिए हिंदी में लिख रही हूँ।
घबराहट जायज़ है, पर कोई बात नहीं। मै उत्तर भारत की निवासी नहीं हूँ, तो मै आपकी परिस्थिति नहीं समझ सकती हूँ, पर यह पहली बार नहीं की जंग की घोषणा हुई है। खबरिया चैनलों से दूर रहिये, आपके ज़ेहनी सेहत के लिए अच्छी नहीं है। उन्हें इंसानियत की कोई कदर नहीं है। यह भी गुज़र जायेगा। वैसे भी हमारी वायु सेना सब कुछ रोक रही है। आख़िर, "वक़्त रहता नहीं कही टिक कर, आदत इसकी भी आदमी सी है।" -गुलज़ार