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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

"Safe" is how we got fucking Trump and the Turdpublicans running amok. How about we try some socialism, instead of unbridled capitalism?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Crockett’s a Zionist defending Israel as they commit a genocide. She has no fucking room to be criticizing anyone else about political risks.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

So they're already trying to throw the 2028 election. For fuck's sake

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I said this at the time, why field a chancy candidate in a country of racists and misogynists unless you wanted to lose?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Obama won in 2008 and 2012. An establishment candidate of color, or woman candidate, will fare worse than a white equivalent (like Biden). But a strong leader of color, or woman leader, could absolutely win.

Also Bernie was white and a man, but the DNC had very different reasons for not liking him.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

They need to energize their base and most people voting for Democrats are not racist or misogynist enough for the colour of a candidate’s skin to be a major issue. That isn’t why Harris lost and that should be obvious enough.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Tbh Idgaf. I really don't. Show up to the primaries, whoever wins gets my full support. I will volunteer and campaign for that person, whoever it is.

[–] [email protected] 100 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Democrats are gonna blow it on a fucking centrist again

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Organize now and win primaries later. Shove a progressive down the DNC's throat like Trump shoved himself down the RNC's throat in 2016.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

2016, 2020, and 2024 made it obvious the Democratic Party will never let a progressive win the election. They will do whatever they need to do to mess with the election to prevent that from happening. 2016 they manipulated the media heavily, used delegates to manipulate numbers early to build support for her, manipulated graphs to make him seem like he was doing badly, constantly misconstrued Bernie's ideas in media interviews, gave her debate questions, and showed empty podiums Trump would sit at instead of Bernie speeches. 2020 they brought in Bloomberg who only entered to make sure Bernie didn't win, also did some media manipulation, kept trying to coopt some of his ideas in a more watered down form, and then called everyone but Warren, who shared the most voters with Bernie, to drop out at the same time after it looked like he could win. In 2024 they basically didn't even have a primary, with no debates, interviews with candidates, or anything, and even skipped it in some states. Once that process was over, he just handed the candidacy over to his VP.

They will always tip the scales and will never let it be fair if there is a danger of an outsider winning. The Democratic Party is a bunch of donors and industry staffers in a trench coat. I've basically given up on having any hope in it, this last election and it's support for "the most lethal army in the world" while we're enabling a genocide was the last straw.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

HR Clinton and Bernie Sanders were actually neck and neck until she pulled out ahead. It was really close. Then in 2020 far less people voted in the primaries, likely due to defeatism like yours.

Also, Every single dem is a Public Option proponent and wants to overturn Citizens United. It just means fuck all without 60 senate seats.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (6 children)

They’re trying to avoid centrists, they want right wing

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Democratic voters need to find their balls and brains to deny the establishment their choice instead of reluctantly getting behind the MSNBC boosted candidate. The best thing we can do for the Democratic party at this moment is criticize the fuck our of establishment bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Democratic voters need to find their balls and brains to deny the establishment their choice instead of reluctantly getting behind the MSNBC boosted candidate.

If it looks like that's going to happen, they just won't bother with primaries.

Again.

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[–] [email protected] 123 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I will vote for whoever isn’t the disgusting republican traitor. But give me fucking AOC, ffs.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago (2 children)

AOC/Walz or Walz/AOC. They would make a killer team.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Putting a woman at the top of the ticket again would definitely be a way to show them, "hey we are willing to walk into the same trap as many times as it takes to prove our point about equality."

Not enough women think a woman should be president to make the idea viable, and that's not my fault.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think the issues with Harris and Clinton was that they were both boring, pro establishment candidates and Harris especially was a prosecutor right when the BLM movement was demanding police reform. The DNC can't or won't read the room.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's just self reporting your own misogyny if you think it's cause they were women and not because of who they were as people

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Oh please. We live in a very sexist world, and you'd be a clown to deny this has bearing in the political world

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Those sexists wouldn't be voting for a Democrat, anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (15 children)

I find it funny, that you still buy into this narrative. Most western countries and many countries were women are considered to be discriminated more than in western countries had women leading governments. This includes far right parties such as in Italy.

Neither Hillary nor Harris lost because they were women. They lost because they had political positions driving away progressives and presented themselves in an uncharismatic and "high-and mighty" way that alienated the conservative bases they tried pondering to. If you want to win you have to at least pretend to care about normal people, not belittle them.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Which woman matters.

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 4 days ago (15 children)

They don't want a safe candidate. A safe candidate would be someone who takes broadly popular positions, like Medicare for All, a jobs guarantee, or public internet. They want centrist candidates, which the consultant class has convinced them is safe (and, coincidentally, never take positions that upset the donors), but centrism is the least safe position to take at this point. No one who is watching their wages stagnate while the cost of living skyrockets is thinking, "I hope this can be solved through incremental changes that don't disrupt that status-quo too much!"

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They want centrist candidates, which the consultant class has convinced them is safe

They want centrist candidates and don't care if they're safe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yep. They want another billion in campaign donations, even if it ends in a loss.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I don't think that is going to be necessary any more.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Guillotine for president 2028

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Your Republicans and most Democrats are two sides of the same medal

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 4 days ago

DNC donors want a corporate stooge for president who does nothing and says nothing they don't approve of.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Crockett said Democrats have ‘this fear’ about voting for a woman again after Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton lost

Both had a VP named Tim. Need to run a third trial where a safe white man runs with a VP candidate with the name Tim to confirm that isn't the issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

The issue I see with those 2 is no one wanted Hillary, and she basically bought off the DNC to get the nomination. Kamala was thrown into the race way too late. Joe should've said right away he wasn't looking for a 2nd term and immediately start pushing Kamala.

Democratic leadership just shoots themselves in the foot, and then blames voters.

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