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Fact is, the Lemmy ecosystem needs money to handle the growing server reqirements as more people migrate as well as the development cost of new features (I know Lemmy is OSS but the devs should still get some compensation for their effort).

Seeing how much some reddit users love awards so much that they cant stop giving money to Reddit to award posts protesting the api change, this could be a great way for users to voluntary support the ecosystem. It can be easily ignored by users not caring about them (clients could even add an option to hide them), but users liking the feature can go wild and this time the money goes to volunteers keeping this alive instead of greedy admins, power mods and investors.

Though there would be some big organization questions attached: attached:

  • Which server handles the payment? A centralized one, the one where the post was made or the one where the user giving the award account was created.
  • How will the money be shared between the Devs and the individual instances in a way that is fair but cant be abused easily.
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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can we leave the karma system and awards with Reddit? Allowing voting in comment sections for pseudo-moderation by the users is good, but when it turns into a scoring system the conversation devolves into a competition to see who can craft the most palatable opinion to get the most imaginary internet points.

Despite all my thoughtful and helpful comments I made in my 11 years on reddit, you know what my top comment was?

  • Comes in
  • Kills the Queen
  • Tanks the economy
  • Leaves

What a legacy.

47k updoots, and 27 awards.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (18 children)

Could we like, not immediately talk about monetisation 1 month after leaving reddit? If you want to support your instance host, you can ask for a way to donate.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The growing server requirements..

I think like 99% of people picked accounts on the top 10 servers, and there are hundreds of more servers out there that have only a few users. Why do you all flock to the same server (Lemmy.world in particular) and then go "shit this is getting expensive guys". :)

Fediverse. Federated. Not Centralized. Not Reddit.

This technology supports speeding out, so many people (instance admins) share the costs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

And the cost of storage? I get that the load is balanced, in a sense, but it still seems as though there will be significant costs if each server is going to keep all the posts that have been federated to. And the traffic itself just to remain in sync could also be fairly dramatic if we get to the size of Reddit. Unless I’m missing something about the technology, which could very well be true.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't want to see award speeches here on Lemmy. For example: OMG! THANK YOU FOR THE GOLD KIND STRANGER!!!!1111

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I agree.

EDIT: WOW 1 LIKE??? THANK YOU STRANGER I'VE NEVER GOTTEN THIS MANY LIKES BEFORE!1!!1

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Please no rewards. This is not reddit. I think a donation system would be much better way to go about it.

Let the content and conversations just happen. It's more organic that way.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

this

Edit: thank you for the gold, kind dear gentlesir or gentlemadame.

Edit2: wow I never expected to wake up to so many awards, who'd knew my most updooted comment would be about this?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I think it's a distraction from the actual interactions. Same way karma is.

I'm all for supporting instances and open source developers, but any kind of reward for a donation creates wrong incentives. Donation is called a donation because it's a gift without expecting something in return.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I fully agree with you, karma "whoring" is a serious problem on reddit, awards could lead to the same behavior here if implemented.

Donations are the best way to support the platform, if you want to be "visible" as donator, opencollective allows you to post a message about it, there's also a sort of top donators page, that's more than enough in my opinion.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I pass. Gamifying social interactions leads to abuse and lowers the quality of posts, comments, reports, etc. It's a streamlined path to enshittification.

Only user-provided 🏅🐭 awards here, at most.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even "user-provided awards" should be kept out. It provides nothing substantial to the conversation.

It's like saying "This 👆", "I agree", or "Take my upvote!", all of which can be expressed by simply voting on the comment, which actually has an impact.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Fully agreed. That's why I said "at most" because that's the worst I'd tolerate, but I still think upvoting is already enough.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

No awards please

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don’t believe that awards should exist on comments or posts, but i do want the devs to gain some money off of this.

The best choice would probably be for them to set up ways to donate to them in my opinion .

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

I've never wanted anything less in my life.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have never used it on reddit. I have always found them useless

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I used them a couple of times, I like them; I use them when the post I REALLY like doesn't have much upvotes. Like when I see post with 24 upvotes that deserves 400+ I give it gold, so the user will still feel happy.

Disclaimer though, I received all my points from winning a big sub contest, I didn't ever pay for them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't want the comments section to look like the inner cabinet of the North Korean army

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't love the awards from Reddit, but I would like to see something like this (unpopular opinion, I know). Instances need funding.

I don't care about what the awards are themselves, I care about the way the funding works. I would love to see the funds split in a two tiered system.

Here is a general example of my idea. When a award is purchased it gets split into two pots. One pot is a general pot that gets disbursed to those running the instances based on whatever metrics and intervals agreed upon. The other part gets assigned to the reward itself. So in this example let's say an award costs one dollar. 90 cents would go to the pool to be split, the other 10 cents would be tied to the award. So if you award a post on an instance it goes specifically to that instance itself. Instances could even set a percent split with community moderators of the 10 cents. That way you could fund moderators (if that ever becomes needed)

You could even split part of the award reward with the commentor assigned to it... but that puts a weird feeling in my gut and I feel like it is a bad idea to monetize the content itself.

There is a lot you could do with this and a lot more would need to be fleshed out, so I am just thinking out loud.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I never cared for them on Reddit and used third party tools to remove or hide them.

I don't like that they can be used to shop visibility.

I would like that it gives an opportunity to fund instances but I would hope we could discover another way to do this.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just donate if you want to support your server.

Awards are special actions reserved for people who pay, that don't improve the platform anyway. It's enshittification.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It baffles me how people seem fixated on the gamification of a discussion and payment system, as if somehow we're not adults who can see that the servers cost money, they provide us value, and we should help defray the costs (directly, through donations/payments). Clear/transparent information on instance costs and available funding is all we really need. For the instance owners it would be nice to have some built in code to provide this as a common location so they can disseminate the info with as little additional effort as possible, ideally with hooks to several payment systems they can connect - esp given the global nature of the platform.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Eew please god no.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm really not looking for a Reddit replica. And um, being rewarded for a good comment isn't really something I need. Or anyone needs. I think getting a cookie for a good comment can be left behind

Edit to add - I should have read the rest of the post more carefully, but I stand by my initial sentiment. Money needs to be funneled into those working hard on this, but I don't know, I don't want more and more Reddit features coming out

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I hate the idea very much. Thanks for asking.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I think making likes and dislikes public is bad enough. You can probably guess how that applies to "gold".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

please no!! reddit looked like las vegas with that award system. terrible idea!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I'll only feel good about awards if they're shitty

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

How about this: groups of instances hosts get together once a year and host a large fundraiser where they then distribute funds proportional to who needs them and then any left over funds go intk a bank where they wait until servers need further funding.

Everything would be open and logged for auditing just like how things are currently anyway.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm not even sure upvotes and downvotes are good for conversations, because people use the voting system as an agree/disagree button, users think the downvoted person is wrong. Awards would fuel the astroturfing problem imo.

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