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It seems I shouldn't have posted this without context

TL;DW

  • yes the video is (at least partially) about Teflon, hence the cynical title

  • no, Teflon (or generally big Fluoropolymers) are not the problem. Ingesting them does nothing to you, because as long, chemically inert polymers they just pass through you from one end to the other

  • The problem are perfluoroalkyl acids: C8 (PFOA) and later substitutes such as C6/GenX, PFOS, PFHA, PFHxS which are chemicals used to start the Teflon polymerization. They are short-chained carbon-fluorine molecules that coincidentally mimic the structure of fatty acids, thus can accumulate in our bodies without a way for our bodies to break them down.

  • These chemicals leach into the environment from factories and accumulate in everything, to the point that the whole water cycle has been contaminated (yes that shit comes down everywhere with the rain)

  • There is conclusive proof that PFOA exposure is linked to a number of organ damage and cancers, particularly testicular cancer and kidney cancer, with likely links to lung and pancreatic cancer not reflected in the study due to survivor bias (they died before the study was concluded)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago

We did not do anything. A very small group of people indeed knowingly and willingly poisoned the earth for a bunch of monies.

You'd think they'd be jailed for that, but here we are

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago

Yay, my generations lead poisoning. Fuck capitalism

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

"We poisoned the planet"

Fuck off! Unscrupulous greed industrialists poisoned the planet knowingly and tried to hide or minimize the fact from the public.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'm curious where this money actually went. Like which specific people have it right now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

These persons paid a lot to have laws that exempt them from any responsibility.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 44 minutes ago

Sure, of course they're legally immune. Just curious who they are anyways.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Use stainless steel and cast iron and nothing else

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Carbon steel, glass, clay, ceramic, aluminum, and enameled cast iron are all great too!

Also stainless steel has the potential to leach chromium into foods. Research into this is still preliminary.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Got myself a set of ceramic coated pans just a few days ago. Am very happy with them. No PFAS at all and much better anti stick than my old teflon pan.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago

Enameled cast iron is like magic.
Worst case I let it soak for a bit and it comes out clean with just a brush in a minute.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The trick is to use wooden spoons to prevent scratching. Egg sticks to the scratches and forces you to make more scratches as you attempt to scrape it off.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

I generally use either wood or plastic when cooking with an anti stick pan (although, supposedly ceramic coating can take more of a beating than teflon).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The trick is to use any cast iron, carbon steel, stainless and heat the pan then add oil before cooking. zero stick when done after heating

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Doesn’t work though if I want to fry something with little or even without oil, which I do on occasion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

I have a 12 inch stainless steel pan, i preheat it and then add oil but some amount of sticking is inevitable, especially around the edges where ever the food isn't touching the surface of the pan, the oil burns and polymerises on the pan and it's a pain to remove, even with barkeepers friend, that's why I got a 10 inch ceramic hard anodized aluminum pan for cooking eggs and small quantities of foods. I just use the big pan when cooking in bulk now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

yeah what's this WE business, I didn't do ANYTHING

[–] [email protected] 56 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

For anyone who can't be bothered to watch the entire 1 hour episode: It's not really about frying pans.

The PFAs are everywhere by now. Butter on a pan will do jack shit to save you. It's really fucked up. You should watch the video.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Yup your most likely sources are stuff like:

  • your water supply
  • any coated paper materials coming into contact with (hot) food and beverages, eg. Burger wrappers, coated paper coffee cups, microwave popcorn, pizza boxes, etc.
[–] [email protected] 58 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

We didn't poison the whole planet so our eggs wont stick. A small number of people poisoned the planet to get rich

[–] [email protected] 9 points 14 hours ago

This is the truth!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Firefighting foam used at airports. Every airport, every military base with an airstrip practices routinely with PFAS. They are still doing it.

It is everywhere. Water, soil, rain and you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago

I lost a coworker to brain cancer this year that was caused by his exposure to PFAs when he was a firefighter. This shit is fucked.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago

I happen to live near one. The city had to shut down a well until they could install a filter.

I also have an undersink RO system, but people shouldn't have to do that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 12 hours ago

To be fair only like 0.1% (yes I made this number up) of all Fluoropolymers end up in frying pans.

Most of it is used in industry, building, medicine...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

Wrong use of PTFE. There are applications... Not consumer products where PTFE is one of only a few things that can work.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago

The original thumbnail had a fork scraping a nomstick pan if anyone is curious

[–] [email protected] 42 points 18 hours ago (8 children)

Which is wild because if you knew how to properly use oil/butter and a cast iron pan... they won't stick to your pan.

We literally created a world of idiots that don't know how to do anything.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I recently switched to cast iron, and I have no fucking idea why I wasted so much time and money on nonstick over the last many years. They are better than nonstick, easier to maintain, and make food taste better as well.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

you are so much smarter than everyone else

[–] [email protected] 34 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Look it's not my fault people didn't get an opportunity to learn these skills because they were instead sold cheap, poisonous bullshit. Why would anyone learn if they didn't have to because there was an easier, cheaper way? It's not really the fault of individuals who don't know any better when society isn't going out it's way to teach them such skills. Hell, I didn't learn this until I was in my early thirties, because my parents had used teflon cookware all while I was growing up.

But, please, read it more as me thinking I'm better than everyone else rather than someone who got lucky enough to learn these skills eventually who is disappointed that we were sold poison as an 'easy' solution.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago

While I agree and have switched to cast iron and stainless steel, it’s not enough. No pfas were used in the manufacturing of my cookware, plus I expect to save money by never having to replace it. However the documentary starts showing how ubiquitous the chemicals are and for how many uses. While we all absolutely need better cookware choices, it’s only a drop in the bucket of so many consumer and industrial products.

Our part includes increased awareness and better choices for many things we come into contact with every day. However it’s critical to better regulate, to hold companies accountable for the damage they’ve done, bring them to justice for impact on public health and coverups, etc …. And that’s not just unlikely but really impossible

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