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I really hope this is a complete failure, like Meta itself.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Meta plans to work with ActivityPub, a vendor that already partners with Mastodon and is currently working on a deal with Tumblr. The agreement isn’t finalized yet, but has been referenced in press releases announcing Threads.

Lol. The author of this article is braindead and has no Idea what he's writing about. ActivityPub is an open standard not a vendor. There can't be an agreement because there's no one to agree with. All they will do is implement the standard

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

He's persona non grata these days, but the old quote from Scott Adams applies here:

"I read a newspaper article about something I know very well—my own field—and it was so full of errors that I had to wonder how many errors there were in other articles on topics I didn’t know much about."

If they're getting an important detail like this so mindblowingly wrong, what else are they getting wrong?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Vendor made me laugh too. :)

If you spend too much time in Microsoft-land or Enterprise-ville, you will start to see everything as vendors. But in the open source world it's different.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It comes from Fortune, they can't conceive of something that's not a business.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

This is brilliant in both it's brevity and accuracy; and could be borrowed to describe their coverage of bitcoin when it first started to bubble.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

It's Fortune. What do you expect? They all think in capitalism, and the very concept of OSS is alien in their mind.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

Hello, I'd like two ActivityPubs please.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Exactly. Vendor my arse, it's an open standard.

Does Fortune think Linux also partnered with RedHat, Ubuntu, Apple, Windows and everybody else who's every borrowed from/made use of/implemented an open standard??

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

ActivityPub is the best pub ever 🍻

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm expecting FB to make some sort of proprietary fork of ActivityPub. I'm not quite sure what the point of Threads is, from Zuck's POV, excluding the desire to eat Musks's lunch, which is huge, so that's more than enough. The man needs a win, bad, after that Metaverse flop heard round the world.

But everything you'd consider an advantage to the Fediverse is a downside to his business model, and the things it enables, like user-controlled hosting, don't suit his ends. Maybe he intends to colonize this place, too, but up until very recently there wasn't a meaningful user base to gain control over. Still isn't. Mastodon got the biggest boost, they're up to 8 mil users now, a healthy number for sure, but Instagram is pushing a billion users, so the number isn't much to him.

So he's not going to actually like anything about the Fediverse, or what it offers, nor will he like its downsides much. ActivityPub, as it is, doesn't do him any favors. I can't imagine anything other than the skeleton of ActivityPub getting repurposed into something else that runs Threads in the locked down way that Meta is accustomed to. He just seems to be grabbing at anything that's loose for the taking.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m expecting FB to make some sort of proprietary fork of ActivityPub.

ActivityPub is based on a W3C standard. I found this license here, but I'm not sure if there is any protections against re-privatization.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I have the barest grasp on what "proprietary fork" actually means. All I know is that Meta is probably here because everyone is bailing to Mastodon, especially journalists. Fuckin Fox News threw up an outpost, they're all there, the userbase is ramping up past 8mil. Meta sees that, and wants a piece of Musk's market. The question is how, exactly, they are going to make the model become something they control properly, or worse, they manage to engulf the whole thing and somehow this all becomes facebook against everyone's will. Hopefully they make their own walled garden out of it and we can all stay safely outside the cursed thing, being dweeby and free.

I don't have the background to judge the situation, and I don't like it. Somehow I went as far away from facebook as I could and ended up back on facebook, gimme a fuckin break

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago

In other words, meta wants to metastasize.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The fediverse is like 2 to 3 million, Threads is about to hit 100 million. Instagram has billions. Something telling me that redesigning their entire infrastructure just to attempt to absorb that little amount of people who are known to be hostile towards them, is not their actual goal. Yet the fedi seems to think this makes sense somehow.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It makes way more sense to me that the experiment with federation will ultimately be to connect their own services. For example, so you can follow an instagram thot from your facebook, or you can message someone on whatsapp using facebook messenger.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They definitely don't need the ActivityPub for that

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, but google didn't need to do XMPP to create a messenger either.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

This!!! The expense of accommodating the fediverse would be more than the potential revenue gained by a very large margin.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Finally, someone is not insane. Thank you

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Developers would also be able to build their own features and set their own content moderation policies and standards for their respective servers. Meta bills this new capability as a way to protect people

So Meta is keenly aware of this and totally won't use it as a way to attract and funnel users onto their servers until one day they decide to take everyone and leave.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This completely contrasts the idea of decentralizing the Fediverse.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Good luck with that.

Especially when everyone is defederating from them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Not if I say this: "NO!"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

My response? It's good to want. That much said, it's not going to happen.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago
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