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Raising kids these days must be a real minefield with all this toxic culture being so accessible.

How can we help them make more friends? How can we get them involved in real-world activities that will diminish their time spent online?

By locking them into suburban houses with no places to go without being driven by their parents, until they're old enough to drive. 🇺🇸🇨🇦

Sooooo… when are we gonna admit that men’s mental health is unfortunaly heavily tied to their career prospects?

No, not yet?

Okay I’ll keep waiting.

Well, everybody in the manosphere is a toxic idiot/asshole, no matter what particular brand of stupidity they follow. It does feel very similar to religion, though. Some sects might be more violent, but they all follow some made-up shit.

Seems like a huge part of the problem is equating "self-worth" to "getting laid".

Putting your dick in a woman doesn't make you any more of a man / successful / worth more than anyone else.

Societal expectations need to be rejected. Oh, success is measured by your ability to get married, have a house, and raise your 2.5 children? For a vast majority, NONE OF THAT IS CURRENTLY SUSTAINABLE AND/OR OBTAINABLE. So why bother? Right?

I get it. It ain't right, but I get it.

"It's important to remember that it's not zero-sum. We can care about the well-being of women and girls and also acknowledge that young men are struggling, too. Those don't have to be at odds."

Wealth inequality is the cause of almost every single economic and social issue in existence.

If young men had the money to have agency in their lives they would be living life instead of living with their parents to save money while seeking validation through internet fascists.

If school wasn't desigend to be a day care service for Capitalists our children would be properly socialized with the different sexes/genders before getting the chance to grow up into incels.

Reading these comments makes understanding why the world is in its current state, extremely easy

Keep preaching and applying that brand of empathy guys, it will surely pay off eventually

It's pretty easy to give up trying to build a future for yourself when it has been made abundantly clear to you that your future is not part of the grand plan.

Incel is just a pejorative that makes them get even more blackpilled. Use "emotionally unstable" or even "constitutionally weak", because if they knew the real issue, they'd be more predisposed to actually fixing themselves so that they can also get laid.

Also, legalize sex work. Just get them laid. Watch the alt right and fascism crash harder than a drunk driver speeding at night.

Holy fuck I'm glad I'm not growing up now. This whole "incel" thong just makes me so fucking mad.

We have a subset of adolescent males who are harassed amd bullied and depressed and self-destructive, and how does the rest of socirty respond? The best they can manage is to gridgingly say things like:

You can both condemn their ideology and find it abhorrent and also remember that we need to have empathy for these people."

Many people—women especially—might find that a tall order, and Beckett-Herbert understands that reluctance. "I do understand people's hesitancy to empathize with them, because it feels like you're giving credence to their rhetoric," she said. "But at the end of the day, they are human, and a lot of them are really struggling, marginalized people coming from pretty sad backgrounds. When you peruse their online world, it's the most horrifying, angering misogyny right next to some of the saddest mental health, suicidal, low self-esteem stuff you've ever seen. I think humanizing them and having empathy is going to be foundational to any intervention efforts to reintegrate them. But it's something I wrestle with a lot."

How nice. You think maybe you should try to empathize with them and remember that they are human beings, but gee... that's a tall order. You're not sure if you can actually do it.

And then you have the gall to wonder why they exist - how they got to be that way. You should, if you genuinely want to do something about them, be offering them help to deal with their struggles before they even get to that stage. But no - you won't do that. Fuck them - they're boys, so they're on their own.

We can care about the well-being of women and girls and also acknowledge that young men are struggling, too. Those don't have to be at odds."

So that's the best you can do? You "care about" girls and women but can only maybe manage to "acknowleedge" boys and men? And you still don't understand the appeal of the manosphere?

"There is evidence that men who are short or not conventionally attractive are discriminated against in hiring.

So right there - there is evidence that one of the things the incel community complains about is in fact true.

But do you even acknowledge it? Nope.

"But there's also a lot of evidence suggesting that this actually affects women more. Women who are overweight face a greater bias against them in hiring than men do, for example."

You just breeze right past it and dismiss their feelings entirely, because girls and women have it worse.

Seriously, you still don't get how we ended up with a generation of boys who think the world shits on them and girls and women get preferential treatment? Even after you just shat on them and gave girls preferential treatment?

Here's va fucking news flash, since so many people are apparentlybtoo fucking stupid to figure itvout - if you all actually cared about thecstruggles boys are going through and listened to them and took them seriously and tried to help them, they wouldn't have to turn to the manosphere to find someone who gives a shit about them.

It's not complicated, so you have no fucking excuse. Stop belittling boys and treating their problems as if they somehow don't count.

If the best you can manage is to maybe "acknoeledge" boys' problems, even as you "care about" girls', and you can't even mention a problem boys experience without immediately shifting your focus away from them and to girls, then the boys aren't the real problem - you are.

We need a new Judo craze in America.

What happens when you do Judo?

You become confident, and typically very humble. You also get fit AF.

What happens to guys who are confident, humble, and fit AF? They are viewed positively by women.

It’s hard work but very fun. You do need decent health insurance though because it’s easy to get injured. The younger you are when you begin, the easier it is.

You can do BJJ instead but that’s way more expensive and not always so humble.

"De-radicalization is a noble, worthy line of research," she said. "But the existing evidence from that field of study suggests that prevention is easier and more effective than trying to pull these people out once they're already in." Potential strategies might include fostering better digital and media literacy, i.e., teaching kids to be cognizant of the content they're consuming online. Exposure time is another key issue.

The education system world-wide is quite bad. Yes, it's better than nothing, but still, its not good. Media and online literacy are part of the smallest subset of curriculums. As a whole, the education system fails at preparing most people for life. It's even bad at preparing people for a vocation, its seemingly intended goal.

With better education, traditional mindsets would be much less common. I mention this because in my opinion the major cause of being an involuntary celibate and considering that status a problem, is traditionalism. That attaches self-worth to achievements in life and tightly couples success with partnership and parenthood.

Better education creates more free thinkers and independent individuals who are not easily controlled or swayed by popular narrative. They are not immune to it, nobody is, but giving humans a toolset for critical reasoning can go a long way.

Aren't these guys misusing blackpilled? I thought it was specifically for suicide not just going NEET? Which like we should talk about but not through this corporate productivity-washed drivel.

What a terrible article. NEETS and lie flat movement has almost no overlap with incels.