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Couldn't we, the UK, just like... stop interfering with Russia? Call a truce of some sort? FWIW I admit I'm completely ignorant as to what's going on, other than we're supplying arms to Ukraine. Is it all about that?
I don't know where you have been but you have some reading to do.
Links, please
The UK could, if Russia would stop interfering with Ukraine.
What's Ukraine got to do with the UK though?
Obvs I'm against war in principle, but why are we even involved in something several thousand miles away that doesn't border us or even the Commonwealth?
Because the UK (and the US and Russia) agreed to protect Ukrainian sovereignty after Ukraine willingly had the Soviet nuclear arsenal dismantled after the Soviet Union dissolved.
In 1994, Ukraine agreed to transfer these weapons to Russia for dismantlement and became a party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, in exchange for economic compensation and assurances from Russia, the United States and the United Kingdom to respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
The other reason is basically the same reason why the UK got involved on the side of Poland in 1939.
Ok that is really useful context, thank you
Hey Ivan, join the Russian infantry, they are constantly looking for canon fodder.
Just a reminder that it took the US years to join the Second World War while the UK was pounded by the Nazis. Canada joined the war nine days after it began. Remember who your friends are. The US isn't anyone's friend but it's own.
Hijacking this post to say: there are too many Americans in this thread arguing about the second world war, somehow apparently suggesting the US is not an untrustable former ally, now ally of Russian oligarchs and strongmen, rather than the important story itself.
Why not shut the fuck up if you don't have anything relevant to say?
And they had to be dragged into it by the japanese
Bombed into it.
Fuck America
That's not really a fair comparison, Canada wasn't a fully independent country in 1939, they were still a dominion of the British empire with foreign policy set from London (though otherwise self ruling).
To be fair Russia is at war with the US as well, just they've captured the government
Can I get paid to state the bleeding obvious?
"The foreign policy expert, a longtime Russia watcher, said she had first made a similar warning in 2015, in a revised version of a book she wrote about the Russian president "
I think in fairness that if she has been warning us for 10 years she's entitled to a little bit of "I told you so" now that it is bleedingly obvious
US was never anyone's ally. They're just the Tony Stark of our universe, selling weapons and propagating war, and seeing themselves as the hero. J'espère qu'ils crèvent aussi au final 🙄.
Imagine if westerners applied the same standard for "at war" to themselves that they do to Russia: they'd basically have been at war with most of the world for the last century.
It's Britain who has been at war with Russia for 80 years. Ironically, the only reason was to stay on the good side of its colonist emperor, and be its favorite. That British society is entirely programed to CIA/MI6 Russophobia doesn't stop when Daddy slaps them. Just got to work harder for daddy's love, is only political position in Overton window instead of pursuing best relations for citizens.
Your ignorance is showing.
I mean come on even Argentina has barely done anything provocative lately. Meanwhile Russia has literally carried out assassinations in the UK.
By what metric do you consider this to be an overreaction?
I didn't mean other countries were doing things do the West, lol.
I meant the West has constantly been doing to most of the world what westerners are no trying to describe as "war" when Russia does it. Hell, the Russian Federation isn't doing anything to the West that the West hasn't been doing to it since the day it was formed
You do realise that the whole point of the United Nations is so that things like that this don't happen anymore. Of course that presupposes everybody's going to play nicely. Deals with Russia aren't worth the paper written on, vis-a-vis Ukraine.
So how can we not be at war with an entity so fundamentally untrustworthy. You are complaining that the West is at war with Russia (as if the Western democracies are a united front) but that's because Russia is constantly breaking the rules. If they just stayed within their own borders that wouldn't be a problem.
Your problem is that you've already decided who is right and who is wrong and you're not going to allow anything like reality to get in the way of that.
You do realise that the whole point of the United Nations is so that things like that this don’t happen anymore.
No? The point of the UN is to stop actual wars, not what the UK is trying to describe as war, which are things that the west has been consistently doing for the entire lifetime of the UN.
So how can we not be at war with an entity so fundamentally untrustworthy.
Because a lot of countries are fundamentally untrustworthy? Including all of the ones who are signed onto the Rome Statute who are still supporting Israel. Which includes the UK. If you really want to redefine terms so that any untrustworthy country is inherently at war, then the UK is at war with the entire world.
You are complaining that the West is at war with Russia
No, I'm pointing out that the West isn't at war with Russia, and it's an Orwellian abuse of language to say they are.
that’s because Russia is constantly breaking the rules
There is no rule that Russia has broken that the west, especially the UK, hasn't repeatedly and flagrantly violated both in the past and currently.
Your problem is that you’ve already decided who is right and who is wrong and you’re not going to allow anything like reality to get in the way of that.
Wrong. Nothing I have said implies that; I'm guessing this is a go to straw-man you go to, but it most certainly doesn't apply to me. If anything, it sounds like you're projecting; you've already decided whos wrong and that's why you're not actually reading or responding to what I'm saying.