We're upvoting Hasan stuff? That's what we've come to? Bernie didn't even say anything wrong.
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Step 1. Do not address the argument made by Hasan.
Step 2. Hurr Durrr Bernie good? Israel no genocide Netanyahu bad?! Israel has the right to defend itself!!
Hasan is the worst possible messenger for all of this, totally agree with the guy you are responding to. This dude is a rich frat boy who ran a show where his sign of ended with "or I'll fuck you dog".
He's a left wing grifter like Tim pool is a right-wing grifter. Honestly the only reason we're here is because he's a nepotism baby, he's a literal industry plant of Cenk of TYT.
Eventually his rich insulated ass will catch a charge, or someone will come forward with how terrible he is in private, and the world will move on to the next generationally wealthy person with the right opinions. Fuck Hasan, the messenger is so flawed to make people who support him look dumb to anyone who sees clips of him saying America deserves 9/11.
How rich is he? Why does it matter?
I'm so glad somebody agrees. That's exactly what he is, and why I cannot respect him or his opinions. He is a self-proclaimed propagandist.
And you were called a right-wing troll. Is it hard to believe there are people on the left that don't like Hasan? I guess you didn't specify if you are or not, but I can at least speak certainly about myself. That other person said I should listen to what Hasan has to say, and it just really reminded me of what my mom would say about Rush Limbaugh. It's the exact same thing, just a different flavor of bullshit.
Get out of here right wing troll
Let them , they only make posts staying on thr top the longest way possible
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I don't respect him, or his takes.
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Not a fan of Bernie, either. Definitely not a fan of Isreal. I'm trying to think of any political commentators or politicians or activists I don't dislike, and all I have are AOC and Gretchen Whitmer. And I think Greta.
Bonus opinion, I don't think there should be any violence from the protesters. Regardless of what the police or national guard do. Arrests, tear gas, rubber bullets, just take it. Don't throw things, don't loot, no masks, just take it. A protest is serious business, and I think you should be willing to accept any consequences from it if you really support the cause you're fighting for, whether it is imprisonment, injury, or death. If you aren't, don't protest. Everybody remembers MLK being arrested. Everybody remembers Tank Man from Tiananmen Square. Everybody remembers Rosa Parks. Hopefully, everybody remembers Rachel Corrie. Their acts were so impactful because of the stark contrast between their peaceful non-violence and the response to them.
If there is any property damage done, let it be by the cops. Deep down, I believe most people are materialistic and somewhat selfish. If their car gets torched during a protest by protesters, they're probably going to get pissed at the protesters! You want the support of the masses. Of businesses. If you're a shop owner, and your windows get blown out by teargas and rubber bullets, you're probably going to be way more pissed at the cops than the polite people just gathered in the street.
From the outside, to the centrists and the old people who still watch the news, a quiet (but huge) group of people getting pelted with tear gas and rubber bullets is so much more sympathetic than (hypothetically) some person in a mask chucking rocks at the police, waving a foreign flag. Again, sympathetic to people less left leaning. In my opinion.
Conversely, if someone thinks violence is the answer, I don't think that's a protest. That's a fight. A revolution. And that energy should be directed, planned. Not just riot style destruction.
That's all I've got, peace.
Cool story look up Black Panthers. MLKs peaceful marches accomplished nothing except building a movement. Change came from the riots.
Those type of people live in fantasy world
Well, I'm afraid we'll just have to disagree and leave it at that. I guess I just wanted to express that I wasn't just coming from a place of "hurr durr Bernie good."
You should try listening to what Hasan has to say then.
There was also a vastly different media landscape when Dr. King made his speeches. The level of surveillance now is so much higher that its trivial to find or create footage of violence if you want it.
There is no level of discipline where the media will portray it as anything but violence. I don't think sanders is enterely wrong here, but I understand how in the year 2025 sander's statement is a bit cringe inducing.
He probably was literally murdered by the surveillance state
would you rather a sitting US senator call for escalation and violence
Yes?
in the face of his boss and his boss’s boss doing the same thing but to a much worse degree… yes? americans should be defending themselves from federal agents by any means necessary.
like it or not if the world only had MLKs we would live in a society that practices blood sacrifice or some absurdist shit. you need your Malcom X’s at times like this because the unfortunate reality is that the only power that begets peace in the face of political violence is often more extreme political violence.
sitting and doing performative takes on how we need to remain “nonviolent” or “peaceful” in the face of literal armed government goons coming into our cities against our will is peak pussy shit and you guys are all shameful for going so hard on that take. have some self fucking respect. will you be clamoring for peaceful protest when they’re deporting your family to an unmarked government camp somewhere across the world? no? so why do you think it should be any different for the people it has already happened to?
What are your goals with this post?
Edit
Found more details about Bernie's arrest here: https://medium.com/@ShaunKing/you-dont-really-know-who-bernie-sanders-was-in-the-1960s-79628016125f
I know it wasn't the point of this post, but thanks for teaching me about this bit of history! This helped me understand why he emphasized discipline.
Have people understand that being a progressive does not mean blindly following Bernie Sanders.
Because past Bernie stood for what present Bernie admonishes.
Arguing with the soldier next to you is definitely how world wars are won.
It literally is how wars have been won. Strategy is not decided upon in a vacuum.
Compromising with the right on every viewpoint. Surely that is the way to go.
I won't pretend to know much about Bernie's history, but I do have a couple of thoughts with which you may or may not agree.
- We should never blindly follow any politician.
- Politicians should be expected to change/evolve. It's probably a good idea to consider the delta to understand each politician's trajectory.
Out of curiosity, do you prefer past or present Bernie?
Past Bernie is the guy in the left image of the original Tweet. Who was attacked with the same slander as present Bernie is spewing.
Alright this got me curious, so I researched the matter further. I do believe you are wrong here.
From what I can gather, Bernie was arrested for being chained together with others to protest the installation of Willis Wagons. This was nonviolent. When the police arrested him, he kicked, screamed, and resisted the entire way.
Source: https://medium.com/@ShaunKing/you-dont-really-know-who-bernie-sanders-was-in-the-1960s-79628016125f
No, Bernie Sanders was arrested for violently rioting. At least according to the newspapers Bernie Sanders reads these days.
You know what you could also try? Literally read the images Hasan posted.
If you're not interested in civil discourse, then we can end this discussion now.
I researched his arrest to learn what wasn't said in the images. Are you suggesting that resisting arrest is equivalent to violent rioting?
Look at the middle image.
The protests Bernie was part of were accused of being violent regardless of how Bernie and the majority of people protesting behaved. That’s the point. Hell if he resisted arrest in anyways today they might try to charge him with assaulting a police officer.
I understand they were accused of being violent. The descriptions I read didn't seem violent though, although they might be inaccurately biased.
I think protesters will always be accused of violence whenever possible. I just don't understand how this makes Bernie's statement inconsistent.
tHeYrE GOiNg To LiE aNyWaY
So might as well just commit violence /s
You need to read more news articles from the times then and not just modern accounts of the civil rights movement. The media definitely portrayed the demonstrations as violent and destructive even when most demonstrators were peaceful.
I just don’t understand how this makes Bernie’s statement inconsistent.
Bernie’s focus is the problem here. The anarchists and provocateurs who want to engage in property description don’t care what Bernie has to say. The vast majority of protestors who are peacefully demonstrating are not responsible for their actions. Even then there are many instances of peaceful demonstrators trying to intervene and stop property destruction and violence. “Peaceful protest” is a common chant at these events.
If you have familiarity with all of this, then you’ll recognize that Bernie is just being needlessly condescending to those who are already doing the best that they can. Nobody needs lessons on how or why peaceful protests can be effective. What we need is leaders who are focused on the obscene violence being perpetrated by law enforcement and the current administration.
If you want a better example of how to respond to the current situation you don’t have to look far. AOCs statement is much better.
It is 100% carrying water for the opposition to participate in this collective delusion that Dems for some reason need to answer for every teen who throws a rock rather than hold the Trump admin accountable for intentionally creating chaos and breaking the law to stoke violence. They are in charge.
Thanks for the discussion. Just to restate - I absolutely believe everyone that the protests in which Bernie participated were described as violent. I was not disagreeing with this whatsoever.
You mention having "familiarity with all of this," and I do not. This is the only comment I read from Bernie about the protests.
To sow general discord within the Anglophone left because:
- Sour grapes that their particular brand of socialism is unpopular.
- It's a policy goal of the Russian state, and they're algorithmically downstream of Russian info-warfare groups.
Though, not that it's necessarily intentional.
Great to see liberals coming up with their own version the Judeo-Bolshervick conspiracy theory.
To be clear: Russians aren't communist or behind everything. Russia's a typical country with an imperialist administration, it engages in information warfare because it helps it win harder at imperialism (the highest form of capitalism).
I'm not even sure convinced they're deliberately targeting MLs, honestly. It seems like the sort of thing that'd self organise inside the communication medium: The platforms they post on will recommend based on factors like your political leaning, material position, etc. So will the people in your social network.
Russians aren’t communist or behind everything.
Whether they're communist or not isn't the relevant part. And you can't go claiming "oh but they're not behind everything" when you invoke them as the secret puppet master behind all your political enemies".
Russia’s a typical country... it engages in information warfare
And yet you only ever invoke Russia as the shadowy puppet master behind your enemies, suggesting it is not typical
This comment section shows exactly why we should be wary of those who label themselves as progressive vs leftist or socialist/communist.
Y’all clearly aren’t trustworthy. Reformists who see themselves as reasoned revolutionaries. You still reflexively shove that boot in your mouth on command.
Seriously. At this point the majority of violence being carried out against protesters in order to protect ICE is being done by local law enforcement. State and city level democrats are not resisting Trump. They’re just mad that he doesn’t realize that they’re on the same team.
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