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[–] Spazz 4 points 2 days ago

Fuck all you Trumpers, this is your fault

[–] [email protected] 165 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Never thought I live to see someone fuck up worse than Bush Jr.

He just got the US into a war where there's nothing to gain, zero upsides other than bending the k we to Israel.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 3 days ago

We are only 6 months in….. fuck us

[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 days ago

fuck up worse than Bush Jr

Trump is an enemy to the US. He isn't fucking up, we're letting him succeed.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Musta missed 2019 when the US was caught with their pants down during a global pandemic, despite having a pandemic plan in place just a few years prior. Ultimately ended up killing over a million Americans... And the guy got re-elected.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 3 days ago (11 children)

The US empire is a cancer on humanity

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Almost every American just wants to stay home and play video games, we didn't want any of this. We wanted healthcare.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I was kinda hoping the US would collapse into civil war before they helped start WW3.

Bugger.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

We can do both.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Sure glad we dodged that Harris bullet though, right guys! I super wish I hadn’t voted like all the other cool kids though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah sure. Kamala would never support Israel. Y'all are so braindead lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Kamala wouldn’t have started a war, and it’s pretty safe to assume she wouldn’t have done ANY of the additional kazillion crimes Trump has committed.

But sure. You go ahead and keep up the ruse that both sides are the same. I’ll ask though, that you take a look around and see that less and less people are buying that bullshit every day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not an American so what I see maybe different than what you see. But you know you would be lying if you say US would just allow iran to bomb tel aviv and sit watching. Both sides may not be same but both of em are held by balls by Israel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t be lying because I don’t presume to know what would happen. You see, I’m one of those rare Americans that understand nuance- and how it actually works in the real world.

And through the use of this magical skill of nuance, I am able to understand, that the entire conflict with Iran, Israel, and Palestine is far more compacted than what a random blowhard on a podunk backwoods social media platform tries to assume.

There are more moving parts to this than you will ever understand. But that surely doesn’t stop you from trying to look like you know what you’re taking about, does it?

The point is- what we DO know, Harris wouldn’t be illegally deporting tens of thousands of people. She would t have abolished trans rights and gutted their healthcare. She wouldn’t have installed Elon and his good squad into America’s financial system. She wouldn’t have put a lunatic antivaxer in charge of our healthcare.

This we know. And I will debate this. However, to avoid coming off looking like people like you- I tend to avoid arguing about things I can’t know enough about to be certain.

Do better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

None of that is about intervening in the war. Do better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

ALL of it is relevant to my original point-which I’m not letting you distract from as you kids seem to love doing. And as long as I stick to the topic, everything you have to say will be irrelevant to it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I have to say, the one good part of Trump in office is at least you lot aren't lecturing people on why invading Iran is good, actually!

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)
  • W. Bush says Iran is in Axis of Evil bullshit basically telling Iran "you're next!" while invading Iraq. Iran starts a nuclear program in response.
  • Obama fixed things by making a treaty with Iran, and got the Nobel Peace Prize (though not in that order which was a bit weird, but whatever)
  • Trump cancels that treaty and assassinates an Iranian General
  • Biden tries to restore the Obama treaty, but Iran doesn't trust the US (wonder why?). So no treaty, but also no war with Iran.
  • Trump gets in again drops some really big bombs on Iran

"BOTH SIDES!" say both the MAGAs and leftists in unison.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (13 children)

Yeah, you're right. I'm sure the Democrats would not have supported Israel in Iran, same as how they didn't support Israel in Yemen, or in Lebanon, or in Gaza, or in Syria, or in...

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago (5 children)

So usa dropping another 1 trillion and 20 years for nothing?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What do you mean nothing, think of all the billionaires adding more billions to their bank accounts, isn't that what this country is all about

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The American war machine was getting light pocketbooks. Gotta start another conflict.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Yea, the American MIC stocks are getting outpaced by European ones, we gotta start a new war to make the stocks up!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

It’s called efficiency, look it up.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We spent way more than one Trillion...

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

We need to remove this cyst of an administration before they start WW3

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When it comes to democracy in foreign countries usa always go all in war, bombing civilians... but when it comes to their own democracy they are to scared they will do/say something that will get them cancelled

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

Democracy was not even mentioned by any one in the orange mans administration. The us is well past such excuses.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 days ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

What's next? Launching a war against the Ukraine to please Putin?

You dumb fucking orange man.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago (11 children)

...do you think Putin wants Iran to be bombed?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Strangely yes. This jacks up the price of oil in a way that doesn't dirty Putin's hands. It's a bit of a weird play but makes some sense.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (23 children)

Iran is a major trade partner and an important partner in the Ukraine War and they were both important allies of Assad and worked closely together in Syria. They have deep ties. There's no way the price of oil is worth losing one of their key allies in the region.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (13 children)

Can’t wait for all the Americans who haven’t done a thing to stop him or to fight his voter base to show up and loudly proclaim that they don’t support this.

Will also get a nice shitty side of “well what do you EXPECT me to DO?”

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Congratulations on having the stupidest comment so far. You should be proud.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The only reason you people care so strongly is because of the "51st state" crap. You're the same small, scared little people that every American is, that any person is, really.

If you think upending your life to start an insurgency on behalf of other people, people on the other side of the planet even, should be expected behavior, why don't you slide on down here and show us how it's done? Let's see your face and a body count on CNN.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Hello world war 3.

It’s being nice knowing you, humans

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

Doesn't a world war require someone backing Iran? Or do you mean "the whole world vs Iran"?

Russia is busy, Hamas is not available, Hisbollah is not available, Syria is not interested anymore, Huthis will send a few rockets again...

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago (4 children)

This could very easily spiral into a full-on WW3 scenario. Note, WW3 may not look like what you expect it to look like. We've been culturally conditioned to think WW3 will look like thousands of mushroom clouds over major cities, but that need not be the case. WW3 could be a large conventional war just like the previous world wars.

Russia is already bogged down in Ukraine, and the US and NATO are supplying them. Israel is at war with a half a dozen countries, and the US is supporting them, including directly entering the war on Iran. The danger of WW3 lies is revealed when you ask, why did Israel choose this time to attack Iran? They chose to because now was simply the perfect opportunity. With Iran's proxy fighters around Israel devastated, with the Gaza a smoking ruin, Iranian power is lower than it has been in years. That's why they decided to do this now - kick them while they're down.

Us getting bogged down in Iran, however, presents other countries with their own windows of opportunity. And the biggest one is China invading Taiwan. China has been saber-rattling and openly planning an invasion of Taiwan, to be done at some point in the next few years. What better time to launch it than when the US has already been depleting their limited weapon stocks in Ukraine, and just got bogged down in Iran?

China is already involved in the Ukraine conflict; they're one of Russia's biggest suppliers. Iran also is a Russian ally, providing them thousands of drones. The alliance system of a potential world war is already laid out. It would be Russia/Iran/China vs the US, NATO, and assorted allies.

This would be unlikely to end up in a full nuclear exchange. Direct invasion of the homelands of Russia, China, or the US are not going to happen. But we could see multiple large conventional armed conflicts breaking out in multiple theaters, a conflict between two vast alliance systems that between them encompass most of the world's population.

If that isn't a world war, I don't know what is. Nukes don't need to fly to have a conflict that leaves millions dead.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yankee go home. And stay there.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Ugh. This kind of hits hard.

I know people who are active in the military (yes they are stupid and yes it doesn't take much analysis to figure out they're probably magats). In particular I know several who have been to Kuwait and seem to regularly get stationed there.

I've known several people who died by suicide from PTSD from Kuwait, or Iraq.

There's a girl, she's a sergeant. She's in until 2028, been to Kuwait already. I don't know if she's even 23. She certainly doesn't come off as a magat. But it doesn't really matter. 23 is an adult yes. But to me? I'm 34? She's just starting life out. To get killed in this kind of war is gross.

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