Reading JL's comments in this thread reminds me of this excellent quote
"A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current war and supports all civil rights movements except the one that’s going on right now."
this post was submitted on 26 Jun 2025
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Time to post some quotes
Others I like:
Those who make peaceful protest impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
JFK
Riots are the voice of the unheard
MLK
So they've gone from "we don't have a first amendment so shut up" to "we don't have any ethics so shut up." Cool.
I continue to maintain that the best individual policy is to instance-block .world and let the redditor hoi polloi who end up there self-select onto smaller and better instances as they wake up to what a crappy place the default is. If they aren't capable of eventually waking up to that, then I don't really want them in my feed, so .world is a good place for them to be contained.
.world sucks ass, it's a reddit clone
There are a few news related subs on .world with shitty moderators, the rest of the instance is as chill as anywhere else. If you see .world mentioned here, it is probably the News community.
Lol says the "reddthat" user. Actually it's a good instance name, but the irony ...
Reddthat disables downvotes, so quite different from Reddit
Is it? There are plenty of subreddits who have taken downvotes out of their community. Badly, but they have. /r/CanadaPolitics will outright ban you if you ever admit to downvoting something in the community.
The removal of downvotes alone is not remotely sufficient evidence of being "quite different" from Reddit in that regard. Honestly it just reminds me of /r/Conservative and their flair system too. I don't understand why downvotes are being banished.
Downvotes are still possible on Reddit, even if their impact is limited.
Reddthat doesn't even have the button anymore
Which is a relatively minor mechanical difference.
Doesnt matter the instance. They're all reddit like
Let's agree to disagree! 😄
What a bunch of snowflakes.
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Well ayy, you beat me to making a PTB post on this, but uh yeah...
.world?
collaborating with and covering for fascists?
Unless demanded by local legislation, that's a clear PTB in my book.
So. You have a link about the usage of force by the dogs of some broligarchic junta. Clearly unnecessary, unless someone thinks people in wheelchair are such a violent threat that it demands such measures. The group was arrested mostly for "Crowding, Obstructing, and Incommoding" - i.e. some "quick, find some law that fits this situation, so we can get rid of those things! Heil Chrump!".
Then you have a commenter (the_q) correctly pointing out shit won't progress unless people actually fight back. And another (PancakesCantKillMe) clearly quoting something; I don't even know (or care) who this Thomas Turbano guy is, but the second comment is clearly a quote.
So, let ask me the following: accordingly to the LW mods, is self-defence violence?
- If it is not, then those comments should not be removed as "advocating violence".
- If it is, then they're effectively promoting that people should lower themselves from human beings to punching bags of their local junta.
Don't get me wrong - I don't even think they're doing this "intentionally". I get LW mods are full of Good Intentions®, and for the sake of some idyllic vision of pacifism, where tyrants will magically stop being tyrants if you say them "tyranny bad! EDIT WOW THANKS FOR THE GOLD, KIND STRANGER!". However Hell is full of good intentions.
we're talking about quoting the guy who put slaves in secret cupboards and trapdoors under tables and shit right
what's the name of this shitty movement that guy ended up founding anyway? why quote him?
I mean, in fairness, Thomas Jefferson was a big advocate for violence. As far as he was concerned, if someone was infringing on your rights, the answer was to get some friends with some rifles and go to work.
Who do we need to be fair to? Nazi sympathizers?
That aside, does that mean libraries in NL aren’t allowed to carry books that quote Thomas Jefferson? I doubt they have any risk of law enforcement beating their doors down over that…
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First, not the mod who removed it.
Second, they weren't quoting Jefferson to be quoting Jefferson, they were MANGLING Jefferson so they could make a call for violence.
The full quote:
https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/tree-liberty-quotation/
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure."
Removed quote:
"The Tree of Liberty needs watered from the blood of patriots and tyrants from time to time. I fear we are there."
Saying "I fear we are there" is a direct call to violence, it's not in the OG quote and that's why it got removed.
Saying “I fear we are there” is a direct call to violence
No it's not.
The mod who removed it disagreed, I also disagree and would have removed it as well.
When ascertaining a threat, agencies use "immenence" as a primary marker. So saying something like "Hey, every now and then we need to guillotine these bastards." Is fine.
Saying "Hey, every now and then we need to guillotine these bastards, how does Tuesday sound, does Tuesday work for you?" has a level of immenence that the first statement lacks.
The call to action is shedding blood, immediately. That's removable.
Its kinda funny to me, its like you can talk about how shitting is necessary for humans to live but don't you dare say you're gonna go take a dump.
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Yea, God forbid we make statements that would be unappealing to advertisers.
You do know there is nothing illegal in most countries about talking about violence, right? Like, that rule is not for any legitimate legal reason, it's there to keep websites sanitary.
Why the fuck are you so afraid of calls to action?
We take potential threats seriously, even more so after the fertility clinic bomber was found to be a lemmy user.
I didn't realize he was a lemmy user but when I saw his pic i told my boyfriend that the bomber looks just like what i figure most extreme lemmy posters look like
You've got final say, so w/e, but my read of it is more akin to "well, fuck. Guess we're at war again."
No agency on either side.
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PTB. Like always for .world lol
Sadly, we have rules we must follow as well.
The rule in this case is a site-wide rule:
https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#1-attacks-on-people-or-groups
Before using the website, remember you will be interacting with actual, real people and communities. Lemmy.World is not a place for you to attack other people or groups of people. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't give you the right to harass them. Discuss ideas and be critical of principles. Show the respect you desire to receive.
We do not tolerate serious threats or calls for violence.
Thank you for checking in, your attention is noticed and appreciated (really!). I will start by acknowledging my heavy snark. To address your point: Which group of people was seriously targeted by threats or calls to violence by the Benjamin Franklin quote?
I can't say, as I wasn't a part of the action. I'm at the hospital with my kid right now, but when I have time, I'll dig further
A rule of thumb: message the top mod (first person on the mod list) when you have a problem.
Everybody else defers to them, and we tend to not override them, as moderator powers trickle down - meaning if you look at the list, the person at the top can remove all those under them.
If you see a top mod abusing their power, go to the instance home page, and on the right, you can see the admins. They have god tier power, and can right wrongs mods can't.
We do not tolerate serious threats or calls for violence.
Are you saying that famous quotes are a serious threat or call for violence?
If the quote is a call to violence? I'd say yes.
People should move to other instances and mods of popular communities should migrate the communities as well.
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I get that they're ~~US-based and have to follow US laws~~, but man, thats ironic.
Edit: NL/Germany based https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
I thought they were in NL? Also, quoting Thomas Jefferson is not against the law in the USA.
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