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[–] [email protected] 133 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (9 children)

They're worse in one particular way, which isn't the most significant way that cigarettes cause harm. They're not worse overall. Vaping has been a major public-health success story, and it's odd to see people trying to discourage it with misleading headlines. The perfect is the enemy of the good here.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 days ago

And they’re talking about cheap Chinese gas station vapes here. If you use quality coils, there won’t be lead at all.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They’re also a worse pollutant. Policies that favor disposable vapes over refillable ones are a travesty but ultimately disposable vapes are far more profitable for big tobacco.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Yeah except smoking rates have increased since the invention of vapes. It if was strickly people smoking cigarettes swapping to vapes then maybe we could call it a success

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago

I admit I don't see people vaping as a major problem. The harm is not so severe that it overcomes my inclination to let people make their own choices. This is especially so when the harm is not intrinsic to the act but rather the result of contamination.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You can always count on the tobacco companies to turn a useful tool into something evil.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

You can always count on the ~~tobacco companies~~ massive corporations to turn a useful tool into something evil.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Vaping has been a major public-health success story

WHO disapproves of electronic nicotine delivery systems.

https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/tobacco-e-cigarettes

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Oh really, guess I’ll go back to cigarettes then.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, i agree with you.

Just, tell me if i understand this correctly, please:

  • The part of cigarettes that makes you addicted is nicotine, and the psychological habit of "smoking one" as a social ritual.
  • However, nicotine is not really dangerous to your health. The smoke is what's damaging your lungs. Smoke contains half-burnt chemicals, that are acidic and corrosive, and that damages your lungs.
  • Vaping uses (water) vapor instead of smoke, and since vapor is not as acidic or corrosive, it's less dangerous for your health.
  • Vapes still make you addicted though, because they contain nicotine, and that's why you have to buy them over-and-over again, which means you still have the economic disadvantage of spending significant money on them.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

That is my current understanding as well, except that I would add that cigarettes are so expensive because of sin taxes, not because they're inherently that expensive to produce. In NYC (admittedly a place with particularly high taxes on cigarettes) the total tax on a single pack is $7.86. Therefore I don't have a lot of sympathy for arguments that the government ought to discourage smoking specifically because it costs poor people a lot of money. (With that said, public health arguments for discouraging the burning of tobacco are valid.) My guess is that a nicotine habit doesn't have to be much more expensive than a caffeine habit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

From what I understand your spot on except for the nicotine part. Nicotine on its own right from what I understand isn't all too terrible for you, however having nicotine in ur airways keep ur lungs and throat from expelling contaminants from lungs via the cilia (hairs that push contaminants out of airways). So by the very nature of vaping or smoking, the nicotine in ur airways stops ur airways from clearing out the crap that's bad for ur lungs (for example if u smoke weed and vape, the weed smoke that's bad for u can't get out and will cause more damage than if u didn't vape). This is why when u stop vaping or smoking, after a few days to a week you tend to have coughing fits. This is ur Celia finally getting back to business and pushing nasty shit out of ur lungs after being suppressed for so long. This discovery is also why I finally quit vaping, as I quit smoking cigs for a healthier life but I was not achieving what I wanted by replacing it with vaping. Yes it's better for you, but better is relative. It's still bad for you and there's no arguing that.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 6 days ago

*New study shows one brand of disposable vapes causes higher lead exposure than cigarettes

[–] [email protected] 59 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

PLEASE stop using disposable vapes.

I quit cigarettes 10 yrs ago and had been exclusively using the old school refillable box mods. The kinds with big clouds, not the nic salts like disposables. I was doing fine, great even, for the last ten.

But this past year, after picking up those disposables, I kept having breathing problems. I would stop using them for like two weeks before I picked them up again. The cycle finally led to me going into atrial fibrillation, a cardiac emergency. Had to have my heart shocked. in my 30s!

I ended up quitting nicotine entirely now. it was surprisingly easy to quit! once you wanna do it, it's already done. as long as you don't mope about it and celebrate it instead. it's easier than the whiners would have you believe!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My grandfather wakes up in the hospital after his third heart attack. The Doc comes over and says "you'll need to stop smoking or else" and my grandad asked "or else what?" The Doc leaned forward and stared him dead in the eyes "Sudden death"

Apparently it worked. He said he never smoked after that

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

After i read "sudden death" in the smash announcer voice, i thought your grandpa was going to smack his doctor

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Plus those disposables create massive amounts of e-waste.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wow, congratulations for quitting. And thank you for spreading the message.
Can I ask: What caused you to go from refillable box to disposable? And what is the draw to them?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Great question. I used both concurrently. The reason for the disposable: accessibility.

The old school vapes are just getting harder and harder to find. I had to order parts online. The juice companies were getting shut down. I didn't want to give up my addiction, and I felt so much better on vapes than i had on cigarettes, so I figured it was fine. (Nicotine alone is a bitch to your heart, though...)

I started trying out the disposables because they were readily available. I could pick one up anywhere, I didn't have to bring juice around with me, no giant batteries or kits to maintain on the go... and in exchange a much harsher hit.

this also led to me doubling my nicotine strength. I had been using 3mg juice for ovet a year by then, but all the disposables measure out to 6mg. Nothing weaker was available. had to switch to stronger stuff on the box mod.

it pisses me off how much they enshittified vaping. it was a really cool and helpful tool that got me off of tobacco. but they started targeting it at minors. instead of rich savory flavors you get all this fruity menthol crap that middle schoolers like. you get tiny vapes with flashy blinking light and fixed high potency. you get bans on it, and regulations/fees so strict that indie vape companies that started this shit for people like me now have to shut down.

oh well. it was all a facade anyway. nicotine itself is the problem. it pushes your systems into overdrive and then wears you out on seconds, until you cant even be at homeostasis without nicotine in your system. the joy of smoking is just the temporary relief of withdrawal. it's like wearing a pair of tight shoes just so you can enjoy taking them off for 5 minutes. I'm done living my life in withdrawals. so happy to be free! (and it was honestly fucking easy, you all can do it too)

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Hell yeah lead poisoning is back in vogue baby!

TL;DR, Researchers found non-safe levels of heavy metals from vapes, particularly lead and antimony. Paper states that a days use of a vape is the equivalent to 19 packs of cigarettes for lead exposure.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No wonder young men are more stupid and violent than they have been in a long time! /s

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Are they? I was under the impression that violence has been trending downward for some time.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I included the "/s" to attempt to make clear I was being mildly sarcastic. If you're unfamiliar, it's supposed to be a reference to old HTML coding, and a slash would denote the end of a programming statement. "/s" has been shorthand for a long time for "this is the end of a sarcastic statement." Hope that helps make it make more sense!

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 days ago (4 children)

The researchers tested flavored and “clear” versions of three of the most popular products — Esco Bar, Flum Pebble, and ELF Bar — and found “excessive emissions of toxic metallic elements” in the aerosols from each of them.

All three of which are from the same company. I'm not seeing any information there about where these are manufactured, but if I guessed China, I probably wouldn't be wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Fortunately there is a 100% natural plant based alternative to vaping.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fuck, how difficult could it be to create a system that heats water above evaporation temperature without releasing toxic metals in the process. Incredible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They make ceramic type coil systems. Idk if they are any better.

I'm not saying vapes are good, not at all. I'm quite sure the opposite in fact. However I believe any attempt to publicly dismiss them is paid for by big tobacco

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

We report excessive emissions of toxic metallic elements in aerosols from flavored and “clear” versions of three popular products (Esco Bar, Flum Pebble, and ELF Bar), orders of magnitude higher in concentration than traditional cigarettes and other e-cigarettes.

So they tested more than three but found these for three in particular had problems.

They also don't compare cancer risks to the rest of the tars versus heavy metal this is metal vs metal.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (8 children)

if you're hooked on nicotine and you havent tried them, then give nicotine pouches a try. i switched to them from vaping and all the asthma went away overnight. plus no one knows when you've got one under your lip

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Everyone knows when you have one under your lip

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (3 children)

ok. i've never been asked to "go outside to nicotine pouch" so whatever

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Those will only make your nicotine addiction worse.

If you actually want to quit: give nicotine gum a try. Satisfies the craving and won't give you mouth cancer. I quit smoking within a month on the gum. And then another three months of tapering later I no longer needed the gum. Have been nicotine-free since 2018.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

Since the toxins are transmitted via the aerosols: can there something be said about the effect on involuntary "passive smokers"?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

To help put things in perspective, the researchers compared the health risks of disposable e-cigarettes to other types of smoking, and found that Esco Bar devices released more lead during a day’s use than 19 packs of traditional cigarettes.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Weed vapes are healthy tho right? :/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Seriously, why do these articles always bring up nicotine vapes, while simultaneously forgetting that weed vapes are a thing too?

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