I watched fight club for the first time in 10 years recently. I’ll tell you that movie hits different when you’re 20, 30 or 40. I remember in my 20s it all seemed so cool and badass, now that I’m 40 I see now that they’re a bunch of incel losers with toxic masculinity and a lack of self awareness.
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Chuck P was a gay man. The movie takes the homoeroticism to levels that would have been laughable if Palahnuik had written them.
Why does the narrator ignore Marla? BECAUSE HES GAY
The point was to not worship these people. The point was driven better in the book, the movie was more anti-capitalist than the book.
They are a bunch of losers, but their plights are very legitimate. That's how a charismatic cult leader swoops in and radicalises them.
We have a number of real world examples of that. The most current one being Andrew Tate.
"I haven't been fucked like that since grade school." blew my young mind, at the time.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0137523/trivia/?item=tr0755880
The original "pillow talk"-scene had Marla saying "I want to have your abortion". When this was objected to by Fox 2000 Pictures President of Production Laura Ziskin, David Fincher said he would change it on the proviso that the new line couldn't be cut. Ziskin agreed and Fincher wrote the replacement line, "I haven't been fucked like that since grade school". When Ziskin saw the new line, she was even more outraged and asked for the original line to be put back, but, as per their deal, Fincher refused.
Also, the actress didn't know grade school in the US is 6-12 years old as she is from outside the US. She didn't find out until afterwards and was very unhappy about saying it.
why? she's an actress ffs
It's 6 to 14 or so. First grade through eighth grade.
Kindergarten to 6th grade (12 yoa) in the majority of the US. 7th and 8th are middle school.
Middle school is also grade school.
Generally not understood as such though. I would say common vernacular is more accurate to the intended meaning than the technical truth
I went to one school, K through 8. Called it grade school. But it was a private Lutheran church school.
I think it depends on if you are talking private or public schools.
Sure, but my point was general consensus. For the purposes of this discussion, I'll use the US. According to Pew (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/06/us-public-private-and-charter-schools-in-5-charts/) 83% of k-12 students went to public schools. Many of our parents couldn't afford to send it to private if they wanted to.
This of course varies by country, googling for a few countries (Japan, UK, Germany) actually all betrayed my expectations,with higher public school percentages for primary schools than the US. They generally do have different grade structures though. Edit: for those 3, primary/grade school went to 4th or 6th grade.
Personally elementary/grade school was up to 5th grade, 6-8th was middle, 9-12 high school. Technically I started school in Saint Vincent, in what I believe was a private school, but we moved back to the US when I was in 2nd grade going to third.
Fair point.
When I saw the flick, the internet was barely more than geocities & altavista, so 🤷🏼♂️
TMI: as someone who lost theirs at 12, I guess it resonated with me — but, I completely hear where she's coming from.
Helena Bonham-Carter, being British, didn’t know that “grade school” was much younger than one would expect from such a line until after the film was released.
They kept it in because it isn't inaccurate. 🤢🥲
coughpriestsarentafraidcough
I think the original line was:
"I want to have your abortion"
But it was cut because it was deemed to krass.
- crass*, FFS. (and too*, while I'm at it)
- If by "cut", you mean "not included", then that's a whole other can of worms re: your comprehension of this shared reality we live in.
You might want to make sure your comment has perfect grammar if you're gonna be "that guy"
Feel better about yourself, kitten? 🤣
That's rich coming from the person who was previously correcting a stranger's grammar in an unnecessarily aggressive tone.
Sounds kind of like projection..
Are you ok?
The fuck do you think? Are you?
Krass is German.
Yes, "not included" like you when people want to have fun and form friendships.
Krass is German.
That doesn’t change that the English spelling is crass.
Also, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crass says crass made its way from Latin via French to English, not German. Always with a C, btw.
If you could stop smelling your own farts for a second you would see why that doesn't matter.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/krass
The spelling krass has been the prescribed spelling since the German spelling reform of 1996 (the Rechtschreibreform).
Get fucked.
You’re absolutely right! Those dumb English people are wrong for not adhering to the German spelling reform. How dare they?
Also the spelling reform only changed the previous ß to a ss. The spelling reform has nothing to do with the c/k debate. What was your point again other than brainless insults?
No, you are dumb because you can't follow a simple conversation that is still written out.
I was using German. Doesn't matter how the English spelling is.
That is too difficult for you to understand. With all your Arroganz, that is too much for you.
c not as fun as k. no one cares. spelling is for comand line. The rest is jazz. Talking by the numbers is for the coffin-hearted.
If spelling doesn't matter, why then are all your other words properly spelled in their English form.
And you used proper capitalization and spaces.
Don't be disingenuous.
I am a fully genuine fiction writer. I am fully candid about the neccesity of fun.
Language is a conductive medium that behaves bizzarely depending on environmental conditions.
Spelling matters for comandline, translation.
My tongue nor typewriter are region-locked. They are drunken and given to singing.
No need to mind. :3 Fortunately plants look great in bauhaus.
Perhaps what sets me apart from some first language english speakers is that I don't necessarily treat it as superior in value to other languages, even dowm to the phonym. I just want to create and communicate.
Krass is German.
c not as fun as k.
That’s the worst attempt at Motte-and-bailey I’ve ever seen.
no one cares.
This conversation proves otherwise.
idk I'm going to let my commement hang around and see if any other pirates jump on or upvote :3
I want to argue, but I have to admit that your English is far better than my German.
where are you coming from? i'm sure youre english is better than my kreaol, german, or russian.
Just more of a hedonist when it comes to vocabulary, yk?
And I think that comes from French via the Norman invasion of 1066.
C vs K is a major distinction of language families too, I forget the terminology for it.
Sheiße. 😭
Entschuldigung. It's a risky day for sanity out here in the soon-to-be-wasteland of a nation. I could've been kinder instead of acting like one. ^(Wortspiel^ ^ftw?)^ 🙇🏼♂️🥲
What are you trying to say?
What part are you not parsing?
The whole thing.
What nation? Act as what? What is that Wortspiel ftw thing supposed to mean with that formating?
You seem to already have lost your sanity because this reads like something you find written in feces on a asylum wall.
Ohhh, you are an asshole. My bad. You can kindly fuck off now, cupcake. 🤣
Nah, Marla was real. PM members physically brought her to Jack at the end. Even PM wouldn't be able to pull off bringing an alter ego to Jack, she must be real.
Also, in the film the thrift store cashier LOOKS at Marla during the conversation.
She's probably real in the novel as well, but I don't think you can definitively say it's an impossible interpretation in either.
It's a bit more clear in the novel for a few reasons but you can still wave away a lot of the points against it simply by pointing to how extremely unreliable the Narrator is.
Marla... the little scratch on the roof of your mouth that would heal if only you could stop tonguing it, but you can't.
It would funnier if he disappeared.