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[-] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago

Well then, time to start fining them under GDPR.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

They can be fined if they actually use the data wrongly. However, them admitting is already important. It should be very obvious to anyone that there is not such thing as 'European enclaves' in these hyperscalers. Even if they host the data in Europe, unless it is an european company that does not have to comply with the US state, then the data is available to the US government.

[-] [email protected] 34 points 6 days ago

This is why I'm migrating all the servers I own to EU data centres owned by EU companies. It's insanely hard to get enterprises off the big 3 cloud providers, but for the smaller clients I support they don't know why difference and in the long run it ends up saving then money

[-] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Which ones are you using? I only have worked with hetzner, ionos and ovh, with mixed results.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

I've used Digital Ocean, Hetzner and OVH just because they're cheap. It depends on your expectations.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Digital Ocean is American, tho.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago
[-] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

OP mentioned about EU based ones, that's what I asked about.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Hetzner VMs generally, there are a couple of issues I've needed to workaround like private IP assignment with terraform, but other than that, if you're comfortable deploying a k8s cluster yourself, just throw things on the cluster. The VMs aren't the fastest but they give the biggest bang for your buck.

I'm currently experimenting with scaleway, but the cost is pretty high, so I'll probably just migrate over to dedicated machines in hetzner and add more machines as the cluster grows

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I like Hetzner, what kind of issues did you have with them?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Seconding, have had nothing positive experiences with Hetzner. In fact they are the ones hosting this very Lemmy instance - that’s where the federate.cc VM is!

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Do you know if there is a community of devops/admins/devs who are doing the same? I am interested in doing the same thing.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Not as far as I know, but the self-hosting community is generally moving over to VM runners and off the vendored solutions, any cloud provider can give you those.

Scaleway gives the most was style of services like managed kubernetes, FAAS, managed gateway etc. you pay for the convenience though.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago
[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Unless you need Windows for work, in which case you're fucked.

I literally only need one thing, which is a bank authentication token that prompts me to plug in a USB dongle, which then reads a certificate off of the device and pushes it to a browser plugin.

But that dongle software in itself? Windows only. And since I have to approve all outbound transactions (maker/checker principle), there's no way around.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

& there you have it

[-] [email protected] 124 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean that's been known since the Snowden leaks

Hopefully this will get something moving

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I highly doubt that this will get anything moving: In 2020 the European Court of Justice already invalidated the Privacy Shield agreement with the US for precisely this reason.

The majority of EU-companies however just continued to use US services despite the fact that user data could be accessed by the US government at any time, contrary to EU data protection regulations, and even without a court order (patriot act and such). No effective penalties - or more like no penalties whatsoever - were imposed on those companies that simply ignored the ruling.

The end result was that the EU entered into a new agreement with the US, the EU-US Data Privacy Framework (DPF) – just a new name: nothing has changed. European users' data on US servers is still not protected in accordance with European law.

This statement only confirms what has long been known - nothing has changed.

So I can't see why the EU would change course now, unfortunately. They could have years ago for the same reason but didn't because, well, money...

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

It's going to happen on some scale eventually. The earlier we get the USA traitors off our data the better.

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[-] [email protected] 83 points 1 week ago

If this doesn't get the French state to get Microsoft and US tech out of all their public offices, I don't know what will.

[-] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago

The national Police is planning to renew all the computers not supported by windows 11 while our Gendarmerie (same thing but different) is using Ubuntu since approximately 17 years. The head of Polytechnique signed a deal with microsoft to put restricted zones on o365. We are not there yet and it is a fucking shame. All the usual state contractors are hand in hand with microsoft so I don't see any move in the close future. It could be easy to fine the USA companies into oblivion because they can't respect GDPR but the EU is too submissive for that.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

France has been right about digital sovereignty since the beginning. It's a little disappointing that it hasn't gone very far. Maybe this will give it new momentum.

If the Gendarmerie can do it, the national police should be able to too, but from what I read, they are years behind on wages.

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[-] [email protected] 78 points 1 week ago

If it makes you feel any better, Microsoft can't protect US data from Chinese access either.

[-] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago

It’s the same with Chinese companies. In the past we thought that the US was benign but not any more.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I've never thought it and don't know why others did. If you where not American why would giving the US control of your infrastructure be a good thing? People just didn't plan for relations to change I guess.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

You may not however in Australia our systems were supplied by US corporations for decades before cloud storage and processing became a thing. Every data centre was local but then some started to be owned/operated by those corporations, then started hosting in foreign countries. It’s a gradual transition where the risks were not obvious. Not so today.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago

Microsoft is a scummy company. Go Linux!

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Has nothing to do with Windows. It's about the different services Microsoft offers. Like Azure or OneDrive. You could run Linux (Microsoft has their own distro btw) on their cloud and they would give the US everything they asked for.

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

The EU and Canada must stop immediately using closed source software, especially from US Vendors

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fuck Microsoft but aren’t there data residency laws that say French data must be stored in Europe?

So that way, when push comes to shove, no country has their data hosted on enemy servers?

I’m not saying companies follow this, but I always thought they made these laws as part of GDPR.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago

Fuck Microsoft but aren’t there data residency laws that say French data must be stored in Europe?

The problem with U.S. companies operating in Europe is the CLOUD Act. It doesn't matter where the physical servers are located, if the U.S. Government wants access to the data, U.S. Based companies are required by law to allow it.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago

If they wanted to, they would do like they do with taxes. "Oh. It is not our data, that data is owned by Microsoft company of the virgin islands, which is totally a different company from Microsoft USA"

[-] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Sure, but you have to remember that U.S. based corporations and Microsoft in particular are formed from pure evil out of the deepest darkest pits of hell and they love nothing more than sucking the asshole of the U.S. Government, who turns a blind eye to their monopoly and lets them get away with the most foul and disgusting business practices their little black hearts can think of.

They happily facilitate the U.S. Government to spy on U.S. Citizens when there isn't even some heinous law that allows them to legally do so. If they don't even give a single shit about their friends, family and neighbors- what are the odds they would go out of their way to protect Europeans, what with their love of 'consumer protections' and 'anti monopoly' laws?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

An important point of the CLOUD is that subsidiaries are essentially also covered, unlike what happens with taxes/income.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Those laws exists, but from the article, US laws supersedes those regulations, and apparently they rather comply there than in the EU. Guess they did the math and figured the consequences in the EU are easier to stomach.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I really dont think that it matters if the data is in Europe. If the company is American then it will not matter. The data must be in Europe AND the company must be also European, this way it can not be forced by the US to do anything.

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