Can we not overlook that this was activist driven. Looks like this Collective Shout is only a 40,000 person organization. 40,000 people just broke content access for millions. Over a game that had already been pulled from the platform without their intervention.
Looks like this Collective Shout is only a 40,000 person organization. 40,000 people just broke content access for millions.
Not even that.
Collective Shout later wrote that 1,067 individuals called and emailed payment processors as part of this campaign.
It's absurd. I'm just going to link to the last thread from when this was on steam , and repost my comment.
https://lemmy.world/post/33277694
Collective Shout later wrote that 1,067 individuals called and emailed payment processors as part of this campaign.
How the fuck can these goddamn censors achieve so much with just this much, while stop killing games has hundreds of thousands, if not millions of supporters and can barely get companies to do the minimum?
Just fucking anything worth doing needs overwhelming support, these dickheads can get it done with just over one thousand people. It's a fucking joke.
Yeah, this is incest and rape, incest and rape bad. wow, hot take. It's not about that, how fucking little effort do these dickheads need compared to how much fucking effort is needed to actually achieve something meaningful in this life.
These pricks are only doing it to try to limit speech instead of doing something to "protect the vulnerable".
porn sick brain rotted pedo gamer fetishists
I'm sure they won't finish there, and won't rest until porn in general is outlawed.
Itch's general discussion board is insane to read right now. Filled with death threats and threats of lawsuits against itch. Who knows what kind of instant action the payment processors were demanding, do you really think they had a choice in this?
Instead of supporting the staff and showing some patience the nsfw players and devs turned on themselves. I wouldn't blame itch for permanently kicking all nsfw content off the platform after this lack of support from the community. The naivety is stunning. Like itch staff can just wave a magic wand to keep paid nsfw games as an option.
What we need is collective action against these mega corporations, instead of kicking down at a barely profitable game reseller that allows you to set revenue share to 0%.
All this not too long after the Funko domain takedown too, the itch staff really can't catch a break. I hope this isn't the end of itch just yet.
Showing opposition is good, if they find the community is so against this maybe they'll not grin and bear the nonsense of the payment processors. They could move to new payment processors, or use crypto to pay.
Moving away would seriously hurt bottom line as not everyone will bother setting up accounts. Moving to crypto would shut them down, the amount of people I know that pay with crypto for anything is almost zero despite having a tech-savvy friends group.
They could move to new payment processors
This is way harder than you can imagine.. You can't just swap out a payment provider overnight, and even then moving to less popular providers on such a big website is risky.
Why are you assuming they are grinning about it? They were hosting this all before in a very laissez fair approach. Unbelievable. It's not "bearing" the payment processors, it's existential. Either they do as they say or they go offline, how hard is this to understand?
"grin and bear it" is not literal.
My bad, thanks for the headsup. Missed that because of the negation. So yeah my original reply is a mess but that doesn't change that this is existential and the community opposing itch doesn't make any sense.
The community taking it out on itch is definitely misplaced blame and a lack of understanding how much power the payment processors have.
The most the payment processors can do is refuse to work for them. All the free games will still be available and they'll have to find new payment processors.
Like who? You realize there's only a handful and they operate as a single entity, right?
European independent payment processor? Nooooo, US's ass is so tasty to kiss...
USA is a lost cause already, but EU still has a chance. Get rid of USA-related anything. Let them sit there and eat corn and watch superhero movies.
EU banks are working on it
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/paym/integration/retail/retail_payments_strategy/html/index.en.html
There's some sort of SEPA instant payments that come into effect this fall, I think, too.
The US has the Fair Access to Banking Act trying to do similar things, but it's been stagnant for 2 years.
This bill places restrictions on certain banks, credit unions, and payment card networks if they refuse to do business with a person who complies with the law. Restrictions include prohibiting the use of electronic funds transfer systems and lending programs, termination of an institution's depository insurance, and specified civil penalties.
Banks and other specified financial institutions are allowed to deny financial services to a person only if the denial is justified by a documented failure of that person to meet quantitative, impartial, risk-based standards established in advance by the institution. This justification may not be based upon reputational risks to the institution. Banks may also deny services to a person who engaged in rude or harassing conduct toward an employee of the bank.
The bill establishes the right for a person to bring a civil action for a violation of this bill.
What makes you think that "European independent payment processor" would not pressure companies to follow similar (or worse) rules for "compliance"?
That is possible, of course, but European companies and citizens are less crazy so far. No guarantees, but the chance is here. Plus, more competition might force older processors to drop irrelevant to their work arbitrary stupid limitations.
Wasn't the activist group Australian?
Yes, but the american payment processors are the ones in power and actually carrying out these punishments. They could've simply chosen to ignore that group and nothing would've happened.
True, given past history it's just a nice excuse
Sorry about them!
Hey, corn is nutritious.
Read: bigoted crybullies got the credit card duopoly to fuck us, and nothing on the internet is safe until they're stopped.
bigoted crybabies
Actually highly organized American religious organizations doing this shit. They've been organizing for a long time and with trump now have a clear path to try and make the entire world suffer under their needs
Fuck the American Taliban
Collective shout is Australian, in Taylor's Lakes Victoria
What do you mean "actually?" Religious creeps are most of that category.
Reminds me of: the venn diagram of religious creeps and bigots is a circle.
Collective Shout isn't a religious organization, they're a TERF one that basically blames porn for the existence of transpeople and has been trying to ban it from the internet entirely.
Yeah, so in other words, it's all pushed by the religious. Same shit
They were originally a Christian organization that has rebranded into a TERF org.
Same shit, different coat of paint basically.
They got Andrew Tate off of Spotify, which is a win though...
I can understand if they're fighting human trafficking and such. But going after porn video games, which generally don't feature real people or generally glorify human trafficking etc., I'm not sure why this is part of their scope.
I could also see this group being against Donald "Grab 'em by the pussy" Trump.
I haven't seen the games that are getting targetted. I've heard it isn't all porn games. What's the criteria for removal?
The enemy of my enemy is not my friend
Andrew Tate is scum of the earth and Spotify should have dropped him, not the payment processors
Again: payment processors should and must not be the ones deciding what is okay and what is not. Just because they did something accidentally right doesn't make it a good thing
It wasn't the payment processors that got Andrew Tate off of Spotify, it was the actions of the activist group
I’m tired of all this far right puritanical bullshit
I can’t wait for every piece of entertainment to be flavorless gruel!
I hoard media for many reasons, including this one.
I have a ton of comics, books, and old games/consoles. My dream is to one day have a room dedicated to nothing but disconnecting and retro culture. A room that is not tainted by the current state of everything.
Keep on going, it's a good dream to have! (Get a good insurance policy too...)
The end goal of every authoritarian entity is to control currency. Your access to food, entertainment, medical care, quality of life, etc. all go through your exchange of currency. If they control the currency, they control all of the above. NSFW video games are just a small foot in the door, I can see this encroaching onto every aspect of society soon
They are cumming for all of us!
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