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[–] [email protected] 167 points 2 years ago (14 children)

All you need is to completely disregard human rights and Singapore is pretty decent.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Other than the gross attitude toward people from weaker country and their treament of maid as if they're dog, what other human right issue they have?

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago

They love executing people and long prison sentences like it’s medieval era.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 years ago (14 children)
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[–] [email protected] 94 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Singapore is not the dream. It's a police state and dictatorship

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Came here to say this. People don't realize how backwards that place is. Just being gay is illegal as fuck over there. Fuck Singapore.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

Thank you! Finally someone speaks out, too. Singapore is a totalitarian capitalist dictatorship and the closest thing we have to a true cyberpunk dystopia. It is a horrible place with clean sidewalks.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The law hadn't been applied decades, male homosexual sex was decriminalised in 2007 and legalised in 2022.

The legal situation before that was inherited from the British Empire, a 1871 law which made all kinds of "sodomy" (oral, anal) illegal for everyone. By now you also have protections against discrimination, hate speech, etc. There's a gazillion things to criticise about Singapore you don't need to make shit up. Other things on the list of "don't criticise about Singapore" include public transit, public housing (though they could ease on the mandatory ethnic mixing a bit), and the food. Oh gods the food.

Dictatorship is also kind of a misnomer... Singapore is one of a kind. Certainly paternalistic as fuck, authoritarian it depends, the PAP is actually listening to people and considers electoral results <70% an issue that must be addressed by fixing shit -- and no they don't mess with the ballot: They mess with media and election timing, as is British tradition.

Two particular things that stand out is the lack of corruption and actual respect for the law, otherwise the whole system would long since have collapsed. That is: All the authoritarianism is actually codified, there's laws you can read, rights that you have, you're not going to prison because some big-wig doesn't like your face or your business idea is interfering with their kleptocracy but because you broke the law, and there's no easily abused laws like Thailand's lese-majeste, either. All that is highly untypical for your usual run-off-the-mill dictatorship where favours and loyalty are the only legal currency.

Things to criticise that aren't caning for littering or insanely hardcore drug laws? Things like the abysmal status of foreign workers. Or, from a more Confucian perspective actually: The failure of the grand daddy PAP to properly see discontent coming, and address them proactively. Lack of connection to younger people who don't happen to be PAP members.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

Can confirm Singapore is a one-party police state ruled by a political dynasty.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Singapore laws play for keeps tho

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago (9 children)

1 to 2 years for selling gum. 100 to 500 USD for chewing.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Jaywalking? Fuckin life with no parole.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not looking both ways before crossing a street? Straight to jail.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Not holding the door for an old lady? Public lashing.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I know it's almost impossible but I'd be taking the bike out so much more often if I knew I could leave it somewhere and it'd still be there when I got back.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same, and mine is not even close to this price range. I heard Japan is like that as well. If you have any semblance of protection, like tying it up with rope, no one will touch it, ever. Must be nice living in civilized world.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Crazy how when you design a society around meeting people's basic needs, petty theft almost disappears.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Absolutely this. The only times I take my bike out is when I know I'll never have to leave it. Which basically excludes using it for transportation purposes, and leaves only cycling just to cycle (which I do still enjoy).

Just too high of a chance for it to get stolen (completely or just parts), or vandalized. It's not even that great of a bike either.

I have a friend who "solved" this problem by having such a junker of a bike that it didn't even look like it functioned.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Is it unattended? Looks like someone is standing right in front of it taking a photo for Twitter.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The secret ingredient is surveillance.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure it's because Singapore has security cameras pointing everywhere. Also, caning is a big deterrent to theft.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago (20 children)

Yeah, we just need less privacy, more fascism, and more brutal cops.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (10 children)

To me, the culture shock would be that there is a bicycle that costs $15K

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (6 children)

How TF is that bike (or any) $15k?!? Does it come with a bike path concierge on every trip?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Multiple, actually. No one can keep up with him for long, so they swap out. Each concierge (usually called "Domestiques") sweeps the path clean of all gravel, dirt, and random people with strollers for the rider.

(I just realized how much I miss /r/bicyclingcirclejerk.)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Was in a bike shop the other day and they were selling a wheel for €1.2k. Didn't even come with the axle or the tyre

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

I'm more wondering why someone would spend that much on a damn bike. I bought my car for 15k of course that was in 2010 but I'm still driving it to this day. Toyota Corolla before anyone asks.

Edit: I just realized this was posted under fuck cars and now I feel like a dick comparing it to the price of my car. It wasn't intentional but still holy shit that's still a stupid amount of money to spend on a bike. Like how can you even justify that price? It has to be a completely insane amount of markup.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

look guys! I can leave my unguarded outside in a dictatorial police state!

Eh, sure? Great?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

People do that all the time in my area. It's not because it's "safe", it's because they're stupid. Then they want to join my communities so they can spam it with their stolen bike posts and get help finding them.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

I've left my bike like this for 50 seconds total in the 25 years I've had it - and I had to chase it down to get it back.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Reminds me of my first weeks in Japan....

I took my Kona Private Jake with me (nowhere near that bike, but $2-3k) which I would expect to be gone in an instant in the UK. I kept placed my bike on the balcony of the monthly apartment in Roppongi, which was only on the 2nd floor, and would check it at night as I thought someone would nick it

This shortly progressed to leaving it outside when going to the conbini, etc

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

$1,500 bike blocking access to the coffee shop window and the beer kegs.

Edit: I have been corrected, the bike is $15K. Thanks u/pacoboyd!

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