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[–] [email protected] 195 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It would be pretty funny for a court to actually determine that a “just business” is synonymous with “doing evil”

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 years ago

/r/selfawarewolves

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[–] [email protected] 129 points 2 years ago (24 children)

Can’t fool me, they gave it away when they removed “Don’t be evil” from their motto back in 2015.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

The first time I saw the slogan all I could think is "a normal not-evil person doesn't need to make such a disclaimer".

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 2 years ago (1 children)

These are not mutually exclusive statements.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 years ago

That venn diagram would make a functional wheel.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A publicly traded company is legally obligated to be evil.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Are you perhaps referring to the myth that the law requires companies to maximize shareholder profits above all else?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ok I was ready to disparage your link since the domain ends in .ai, but actually that was a decent read and a pretty good argument. I'm glad to have better knowledge of the actual court rulings.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I didn't even look at the URL, to be honest; it was the most layman-friendly and succinct article that was from the last few years that popped up in a quick search, but there's plenty of similar articles from other sources if anyone doubts this one.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

There is no law that says they must. But shareholders are justified to fire C suite who don't. And realistically shareholders only care about profits. Therefore they effectively must. Regardless of it not being "law".

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 years ago

Is profit at any cost morally irresponsible?

No, it's the consumers who are wrong.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 years ago (3 children)

We can and should no longer accept "it's just good business" as justification for morally reprehensible actions.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Accepting it is what makes it good business. We stop accepting it, it costs money and then it's no longer good business.

Business is purely profit driven. We need to make morally wrong things costly. Orders of magnitude more costly than doing the right thing.

Blame the ayer AND fix the game.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah, so that's why they changed their slogan from "don't be evil" to "don't not be a business."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Google - Business with electrolytes"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

It's what shareholders crave

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Does he not know that business IS evil?

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Okay. Google isn’t evil, business is.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Slavery was just business at some point, what kind of justification is this?!

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Capitalism is a curse that instills the most evil traits in all of humanity.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

Worse; it rewards them.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago

No, businesses are people. Corporations have fought to make that a distinction. So therefore it can be evil. Can’t have it both ways.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Business are soulless evils

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago

Good argument for dismantling Google and any other company of similar size.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago

“Hey man, just doing our job to maximize shareholder value”

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

"Nothing ~~Personal~~ evil, Kid"

"Just Business"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

A business is only as moral as its least moral shareholder. Shareholder Primacy is the law.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It can be two things, jackass.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

You can see how one could easily be confused…

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Don't. Be evil.

Ifify

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

No one thinks they're the bad guy. That doesn't change the fact that their actions speak for themselves.

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